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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI think you underestimate the typical desire for power among politicians. I would be absolutely shocked if there has ever been an election anywhere in which "neither party really wants to take the reins".1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI think you underestimate the typical desire for power among politicians. I would be absolutely shocked if there has ever been an election anywhere in which "neither party really wants to take the reins".
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIf you realize that the fecal matter is about to make physical contact with the oscillating air current distribution device, there could be a tendency to let the other side take the hit allowing you to gain control with a larger majority the next election cycle. If the other side takes the blame for a large enough mess then it could be a bonus for your side for several elections.
Currently the Tories have an 80 seat majority (which doesn't reflect their vote share - but that's FPTP for you), and even with a landslide, it is highly unlikely for Labour to get anything close to this majority, unless they enter into some form of power-sharing agreement. With a wafer-thin majority it makes it even harder to fix things, as the Dems are finding in the US at the moment.
Are the Tories self-sabotaging to stay out for an election cycle, blame all the issues they caused on Labour then coming back in again at the next election? I can't say - the only thing they're good at is maintaining power at all costs, and they can't use government to enrich themselves, their friends and their donors if they're out of power. Perhaps it is the same in Oz at the moment?
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIf you realize that the fecal matter is about to make physical contact with the oscillating air current distribution device, there could be a tendency to let the other side take the hit allowing you to gain control with a larger majority the next election cycle. If the other side takes the blame for a large enough mess then it could be a bonus for your side for several elections.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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And now there's this:
Australia has an eSafety Commissioner named Julie Inman-Grant. While delivering remarks to the World Economic Forum summit in Davos, Switzerland, she outlined a new on-line era where free speech would need to be “recalibrated,” and the ability to be free from something called “on-line violence.”
For the past several years we have noted a progressive, totalitarian, shift in speech, specifically a redefinition of the word “violence.” Speech the leftists do not like, they call violence; and violence the leftists support, they call speech. As a result, the overlay of a newly recalibrated on-line world for speech and violence would be modified accordingly.
Australian eSafety Commissioner Tells Word Economic Forum Audience It is Time to Recalibrate Free Speech - The Last Refuge (theconservativetreehouse.com)
This sort of thinking is hardly a suprise coming from a country that had literal concentration camps built to imprison those who refused to be "vaccine compliant".Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWhen voters were surveyed about their #1 issue, a plurality said Climate Change. That is reflected in the record number of votes for the Green and Teal candidates. Australia recently had extremely severe bushfires, as well as severe flooding. And the conservative government's minimalistic actions on the Climate Change topic were not looked on favorably. It seems fairly likely that as a result of this election the incoming Australian government will be inspired to make significant commitments addressing climate change.
PS - we've always had fires. And floods. And droughts. (And snakes. And spiders. And drop-bears.)
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Originally posted by {Tim} View PostIMO, part of the problem was the Liberals drifting left and embracing "climate" policies over the economy, as well as refusing to take a stand regarding vaccine mandates and lockdowns etc (they just kept saying "well it's up to the states, don't blame us"). So they turned off a chunk of the groups who would normally vote for them, but at the same time fail to really pick up the groups in favour of climate action etc - because if the Libs are trying to be "green/labor lite", well why not just vote for the real thing? Also, general distrust of government and political parties is higher than it used to be.
PS - we've always had fires. And floods. And droughts. (And snakes. And spiders. And drop-bears.)
Dorothea McKellar. "My Country" (1908)
"I love a sunburnt country ..."
BTW - where do you live?Last edited by tabibito; 05-24-2022, 09:34 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by {Tim} View PostIMO, part of the problem was the Liberals drifting left and embracing "climate" policies over the economy
If, as you claim, the liberals went left and did too much climate-related action, who did the voting bloc who thought this vote for in the election? I don't recall seeing any hard-right party picking up a huge vote share, but perhaps I missed it???"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThis seems a strange analysis. The liberals lost several seats to the teal independent candidates, whose claim was that the liberals had drifted too far right and failed to address climate change sufficiently. Given the electorates tended to vote for teal over liberals, presumably the people agreed with that.
If, as you claim, the liberals went left and did too much climate-related action, who did the voting bloc who thought this vote for in the election? I don't recall seeing any hard-right party picking up a huge vote share, but perhaps I missed it???
I guess the point I was trying to make is that the gap between Liberal and Labor isn't especially large any more, so they don't automatically have the "strongly conservative" vote, but they also can't automatically rely on voters in the middle either (even more so when they haven't got a good record to point to recently).
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