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"If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by myth View Post
I figured so, I just wanted to make it clear how screwed up it was for teachers to be supporting this dude.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostToday's society ... it reacts; it doesn't take any real preventative measures, and that is factoring in things like accreditation.
Most churches here require police accreditation. I haven't kept up with the legal requirements that are in force (I do the accreditation thing anyway) but I think it is now required by law for everyone working with children or other vulnerable groups, whether paid or volunteer. Ordinary accreditation is not good enough for some work - it has to go to a higher level.
If a church starts a school then they'll have to follow the rules of the world.
That is the critical point: the church is not supposed to have an open borders policy.
Last edited by Maranatha; 05-28-2022, 01:44 PM.
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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
I've been out of it for a while, I don't even know what accreditation is about. In my day you looked for a live volunteer. It's not as if people jumped at the opportunity to work with four year olds. It was only those with kids who typically helped out.
Open for what? To just walk in or to work in their ministries?
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
I see their point but for me there is a difference between a dispute and a criminal act.
I raised the point because as I was reading the thread, I saw too many posts trying to treat something this heinous as strictly a church matter. I'll grant I may have just misread the posts. In my opinion, the SBC report shows an issue that's too big to solve in the church.
Also, there is a lot of trauma involved. I know many pastors are well intentioned, but again this above their skill level to deal with. In a previous church, I saw a pastor try to deal with an abusive husband and it didn't go well."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
I've done a little reading about the background of 1 Corinthians and I've seen the suggestion that Paul s assuming the Roman courts are corrupt (and there seem to be other references to that in Scripture). I hate to try to just get out of Scripture by just saying "well, the context was different...", but I think you're right that Paul is talking about interpersonal disputes and not criminal actions. Not to mention that if someone is being sexually abusive in a church context, there's a good chance they may be doing it outside of church as well, so it's imperative to make sure the police get to the bottom of it.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
"Clearance" would be the alternative term. A written statement from the police that you have no convictions or pending prosecutions, or where you do have such things, what they are. Depending on the type of work, some offences will be an automatic disqualification. Minor offences, it is up to the organisation whether to make a place for the volunteer.
Acceptance of all comers into membership of the church.
Ok, we part ways here.
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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
So you want the cops to be your guardian, and only those who are vetted by cops should walk into your church.
Ok, we part ways here.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Maranatha View Post
You seem one helluva stupid poster.
What specifically did I say was incorrect about what you said?
1/ requirements for working with vulnerable groups. (which, here, involves police checks - a result of churches failing in their duty of care.)
2/ requirements for membership of a church. (which has nothing to do with police checks and everything to do with duty of care.)
And you decide to treat them as the same topic.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Two clearly different topics.
Volunteering in Church ministries.
Church Membership
Just "walking in" to a church
Church ran school
I am discussing the first.
If your church decides to run a school then just consider yourself like a public school, and vet everyone who works there.
You appear to be indicating you want a certificate from the cops to take part in all the above, so please clarify.
Your turnLast edited by Maranatha; 05-29-2022, 07:25 AM.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
I've done a little reading about the background of 1 Corinthians and I've seen the suggestion that Paul s assuming the Roman courts are corrupt (and there seem to be other references to that in Scripture). I hate to try to just get out of Scripture by just saying "well, the context was different...", but I think you're right that Paul is talking about interpersonal disputes and not criminal actions. Not to mention that if someone is being sexually abusive in a church context, there's a good chance they may be doing it outside of church as well, so it's imperative to make sure the police get to the bottom of it.
Thanks for sharing."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
I was wondering what Roman justice was like. Did they actually pursue a robbery or were they more concerned with crimes against Rome? Find the exact context of some Scriptures takes more work than other Scriptures.
Thanks for sharing."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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