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Last edited by seer; 05-31-2022, 06:59 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by seer View Post
So an effeminate gay man who likes girly things is a woman, even if he doesn't identify as a woman?
Originally posted by seer View Post
Are gender roles cultural and socially constructed in higher primates or are they biologically determined?
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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No, that was not a pretty good job - a woman is a biological female and also not a biological female. How is that a rational definition? There are no actual descriptors of what a woman is.
Sometimes the words we use refer to objective things, and sometimes not.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThe language you have used in that sentence indicates your own cultural and stereotypical assumptions regarding gender.
Gender is a cultural and socially constructed set of behaviours and characteristics apportioned to, or deemed "natural/normal" for, females.
That makes no sense. A man thinking that he is a woman doesn't make it so, many transvestites take on the role of a female but don't identify as a women. So behaviors and characteristics don't define gender. Then what does?
You may need to consult with a primatologist.
Wild chimpanzee communities [11] are multi-male, multi-female and are characterized by a male dominance hierarchy in which philopatric males form the stable core of the community and defend a group territory [5]. Within these communities, adult male and female chimpanzees show distinct sex differences in behavior.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...0in%20behavior.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by seer View Post
You said:
Gender is a cultural and socially constructed set of behaviours and characteristics apportioned to, or deemed "natural/normal" for, females.
That makes no sense. A man thinking that he is a woman doesn't make it so, many transvestites take on the role of a female but don't identify as a women. So behaviors and characteristics don't define gender. Then what does?
It is clear that "gender" i.e. sex roles are evident in higher primates, like our closest cousins the chimpanzee, and are innate - not merely culturally induced.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
You said:
Gender is a cultural and socially constructed set of behaviours and characteristics apportioned to, or deemed "natural/normal" for, females.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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If "woman" is just a social construct without an objective definition, then we can toss out all those societal complaints about "women" not being paid or treated equally to men, or any whining about the "patriarchy" keeping "women" treated as second class citizens. We can just do away with "women's studies" in college, "women's sports" and all that stuff since anyone can be a woman just by claiming to be so. "Feminism" is now a term without meaning also.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostAnd you immediately resorted to your preconceived cultural stereotypes about "girly things" and your use of the word "effeminate" [of a man or boy having traits, tastes, habits, etc., traditionally considered feminine] - my emphasis.Last edited by seer; 06-01-2022, 08:12 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf "woman" is just a social construct without an objective definition, then we can toss out all those societal complaints about "women" not being paid or treated equally to men, or any whining about the "patriarchy" keeping "women" treated as second class citizens. We can just do away with "women's studies" in college, "women's sports" and all that stuff since anyone can be a woman just by claiming to be so. "Feminism" is now a term without meaning also.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIf gender is a social construct, and gender roles social constructs as well, then why bother with gender at all when it's is a smooth continuum?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf "woman" is just a social construct without an objective definition, then we can toss out all those societal complaints about "women" not being paid or treated equally to men, or any whining about the "patriarchy" keeping "women" treated as second class citizens. We can just do away with "women's studies" in college, "women's sports" and all that stuff since anyone can be a woman just by claiming to be so. "Feminism" is now a term without meaning also.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Not only chimps, and not only adults. And further into the article, there is a passage that claims boys and girls choose toys on the basis of what they can do with the toy, not on any perceived sex appropriate designation.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by seer View Post
They are sawing through the very branch that they are sitting on...
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Exactly...
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSeveral years ago there was a series of programs on PBS hosted by Alan Alda (who can hardly be characterized as a right winger) that dealt with what it meant to be human -- broadly speaking. One episode mentioned a bunch of studies (and repeated some of them in front of the camera) that revealed that even in infancy, long before society could possibly impress gender roles or expectations on them, boys and girls are profoundly different. Or as Alda said (paraphrasing), something that parents who had raised both boys and girls already knew. The one I remember most clearly was that boys are far more likely to try to climb over or otherwise circumvent, a barrier designed to prevent them from exiting an area, than girls were who typically were content to stay where they were.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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