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  • #16
    Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

    Speculations on the communications between Trump org and a pair of servers in Moscow were based on metadata, so it’s unlikely we’ll ever know what was communicated. But this claim that the speculations were fabricated out of whole cloth doesn’t jibe with what’s known:

    Was There a Connection Between a Russian Bank and the Trump Campaign?
    .
    In June, 2016, after news broke that the Democratic National Committee had been hacked, a group of prominent computer scientists went on alert. Reports said that the infiltrators were probably Russian, which suggested to most members of the group that one of the country’s intelligence agencies had been involved. They speculated that if the Russians were hacking the Democrats they must be hacking the Republicans, too. “We thought there was no way in the world the Russians would just attack the Democrats,” one of the computer scientists, who asked to be identified only as Max, told me.

    A Trump org server, mail1.trump-email.com, was communicating with Alfa bank.
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    As Max and his colleagues searched D.N.S. logs for domains associated with Republican candidates, they were perplexed by what they encountered. “We went looking for fingerprints similar to what was on the D.N.C. computers, but we didn’t find what we were looking for,” Max told me. “We found something totally different—something unique.” In the small town of Lititz, Pennsylvania, a domain linked to the Trump Organization (mail1.trump-email.com) seemed to be behaving in a peculiar way. The server that housed the domain belonged to a company called Listrak, which mostly helped deliver mass-marketing e-mails: blasts of messages advertising spa treatments, Las Vegas weekends, and other enticements. Some Trump Organization domains sent mass e-mail blasts, but the one that Max and his colleagues spotted appeared not to be sending anything. At the same time, though, a very small group of companies seemed to be trying to communicate with it.

    Examining records for the Trump domain, Max’s group discovered D.N.S. lookups from a pair of servers owned by Alfa Bank, one of the largest banks in Russia. Alfa Bank’s computers were looking up the address of the Trump server nearly every day. There were dozens of lookups on some days and far fewer on others, but the total number was notable: between May and September, Alfa Bank looked up the Trump Organization’s domain more than two thousand times. “We were watching this happen in real time—it was like watching an airplane fly by,” Max said. “And we thought, Why the hell is a Russian bank communicating with a server that belongs to the Trump Organization, and at such a rate?”

    The New York Times spiked a story on the server connection at the FBI’s request.
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    The F.B.I. officials asked Lichtblau to delay publishing his story, saying that releasing the news could jeopardize their investigation. As the story sat, Dean Baquet, the Times’ executive editor, decided that it would not suffice to report the existence of computer contacts without knowing their purpose. Lichtblau disagreed, arguing that his story contained important news: that the F.B.I. had opened a counterintelligence investigation into Russian contacts with Trump’s aides. “It was a really tense debate,” Baquet told me. “If I were the reporter, I would have wanted to run it, too. It felt like there was something there.” But, with the election looming, Baquet thought that he could not publish the story without being more confident in its conclusions.

    The Lichtbau story eventually ran under an exculpatory headline.
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    Over time, the F.B.I.’s interest in the possibility of an Alfa Bank connection seemed to wane. An agency official told Lichtblau that there could be an innocuous explanation for the computer traffic. Then, on October 30th, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid wrote a letter to James Comey, the director of the F.B.I., charging that the Bureau was withholding information about “close ties and coordination” between the Trump campaign and Russia. “We had a window,” Lichtblau said. His story about Alfa Bank ran the next day. But it bore only a modest resemblance to what he had filed. The headline— “investigating donald trump, f.b.i. sees no clear link to russia”—seemed to exonerate the Trump campaign. And, though the article mentioned the server, it omitted any reference to the computer scientists who had told Lichtblau that the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank might have been communicating. “We were saying that the investigation was basically over—and it was just beginning,” Lichtblau told me.

    Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia
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    WASHINGTON — For much of the summer, the F.B.I. pursued a widening investigation into a Russian role in the American presidential campaign. Agents scrutinized advisers close to Donald J. Trump, looked for financial connections with Russian financial figures, searched for those involved in hacking the computers of Democrats, and even chased a lead — which they ultimately came to doubt — about a possible secret channel of email communication from the Trump Organization to a Russian bank.

    Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

    The DNS address to the Trump org server was changed by the Trump org in the interval between the Times communicating with Alfa bank and The Times speaking to Trump.
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    That same day, Slate ran a story, by Franklin Foer, that made a detailed case for the possibility of a covert link between Alfa Bank and Trump. Foer’s report was based largely on information from a colleague of Max’s who called himself Tea Leaves. Foer quoted several outside experts; most said that there appeared to be no other plausible explanation for the data.

    One remarkable aspect of Foer’s story involved the way that the Trump domain had stopped working. On September 21st, he wrote, the Times had delivered potential evidence of communications to B.G.R., a Washington lobbying firm that worked for Alfa Bank. Two days later, the Trump domain vanished from the Internet. (Technically, its “A record,” which translates the domain name to an I.P. address, was deleted. If the D.N.S. is a phone book, the domain name was effectively decoupled from its number.) For four days, the servers at Alfa Bank kept trying to look up the Trump domain. Then, ten minutes after the last attempt, one of them looked up another domain, which had been configured to lead to the same Trump Organization server.

    Max’s group was surprised. The Trump domain had been shut down after the Times contacted Alfa Bank’s representatives—but before the newspaper contacted Trump. “That shows a human interaction,” Max concluded. “Certain actions leave fingerprints.” He reasoned that someone representing Alfa Bank had alerted the Trump Organization, which shut down the domain, set up another one, and then informed Alfa Bank of the new address.

    While mail1.trump-email.com was originally set up for mass marketing emails, it was effectively a dedicated server communicating between Alfa Bank and Trump org at the time researchers were following and recording its DNS traffic.
    .
    To establish a kind of control group, Jones’s team asked Max to capture the D.N.S. logs for the Denihan Hospitality Group—a hotel chain, similar in size to Trump’s, which was using Cendyn and Listrak to send marketing e-mails. In a sample spanning August and September, 2016, a Denihan domain received more than twenty thousand D.N.S. queries, from more than a thousand I.P. addresses. In the same period, the Trump domain had twenty-five hundred lookups, nearly all of them from Alfa Bank and Spectrum Health.

    Spectrum Health’s inclusion among the restricted domains has been reported in fragmentary fashion, leaving an overarching context that goes begging. Dick DeVos is the chairman of the board for Spectrum Health. His wife is Betsy DeVos who¸served as Secretary of Education until joining the exodus following the storming of the Capitol, writing,
    .
    “There is no mistaking the impact your rhetoric had on the situation.”

    Betsy DeVos is the brother of Erik Prince who was investigated after …
    .
    […] an apparent effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and President-elect Donald Trump, according to U.S., European and Arab officials.

    Again, there’s plenty to fuel suspicion, but nothing probative about any of this. We have evidence of server links between Trump Org, Alfa Bank, and the DeVos family. We don’t know if those links were used. And if they were used, we don’t know how they were used. We don’t know if Erik DeVos was successful in his efforts. And if he was successful, whether subsequent reporting torpedoed any connections that might have been established.

    This was the gang that couldn’t shoot straight, the team that let gossip columnist Michael Wolff wander around without a keeper for the first year until he left to become a gossipy author with the release of Fire and Fury. I don’t discount the possibility that every single one of these efforts face-planted shortly after take-off from Blunderville.

    But I’ve got my suspicions.


    If you’ll recall, the conspiracy-theory comes from anomalous DNS traffic captured by cybersecurity researchers. In the summer of 2016, while Trump was denying involvement with Russian banks, the Alfa Bank in Russia was doing lookups on the name “mail1.trump-email.com”. During this time, additional lookups were also coming from two other organizations with suspicious ties to Trump, Spectrum Health and Heartland Payments.

    This is certainly suspicious, but people have taken it further. They have crafted a conspiracy-theory to explain the anomaly, namely that these organizations were secretly connecting to a Trump server.
    We know this explanation to be false. There is no Trump server, no real server at all, and no connections. Instead, the name was created and controlled by Cendyn. The server the name points to for transmitting bulk email and isn’t really configured to accept connections. It’s built for outgoing spam, not incoming connections. The Trump Org had no control over the name or the server. As Cendyn explains, the contract with the Trump Org ended in March 2016, after which they re-used the IP address for other marketing programs, but since they hadn’t changed the DNS settings, this caused lookups of the DNS name.

    The deception starts by repeatedly referring to the “Trump server”. There is no Trump server. There is a Listrak server operated on behalf of Cendyn. Whether the Trump Org had any control over the name or the server is a key question the report should be trying to prove, not a premise. The report clearly understands this fact, so it can’t be considered a mere mistake, but a deliberate deception.

    People make assumptions that a domain name like “trump-email.com” would be controlled by the Trump organization. It’s wasn’t. When Trump Hotels hired Cendyn to do marketing for them, Cendyn did what they normally do in such cases, register a domain with their client’s name for the sending of bulk emails. They did the same thing with hyatt-email.com, denihan-email.com, mjh-email.com, and so on. What clear is that the Trump organization had no control, no direct ties to this domain until after the conspiracy-theory hit the press.


    See much, much more at https://securityboulevard.com/2021/1...-trump-report/
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Ronson View Post

      I think Trump figured Comey correctly, calling him a "showboat." His actions seemed less politically motivated than simply trying to make headlines for himself. Just an all-around sleazebag.
      The funny thing about it all is that if Comey had allowed the process to proceed and Hillary was indicted, the Democrats had a couple months to select and run another candidate. One who likely would have won.

      So much of the Trump vote was not support for him as much as opposition to Hillary. With her out of the picture a lot of votes for Trump would have vanished.

      Something like this happened a couple decades ago in New Jersey. Both parties nominated candidates for Senate that had really high unfavorable ratings and not long before the election the Democrat was indicted. So the Democrats nominated a retired Senator who agreed to serve one more term to replace him. He didn't have those high negative numbers, and even though he only had a few weeks to run he won quiet handedly, IIRC.

      The Democrats could have picked Biden (who was still mostly lucid then) as a replacement, who almost certainly would have beat Trump.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #18
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        The funny thing about it all is that if Comey had allowed the process to proceed and Hillary was indicted, the Democrats had a couple months to select and run another candidate. One who likely would have won.

        So much of the Trump vote was not support for him as much as opposition to Hillary. With her out of the picture a lot of votes for Trump would have vanished.
        Correct. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 because his stability wasn't tested; I didn't want a 'question mark' sitting on the nuke button. I just didn't know much about him. But I came real close because Hillary was so obviously despicable.

        Something like this happened a couple decades ago in New Jersey. Both parties nominated candidates for Senate that had really high unfavorable ratings and not long before the election the Democrat was indicted. So the Democrats nominated a retired Senator who agreed to serve one more term to replace him. He didn't have those high negative numbers, and even though he only had a few weeks to run he won quiet handedly, IIRC.

        The Democrats could have picked Biden (who was still mostly lucid then) as a replacement, who almost certainly would have beat Trump.
        The legacy media has gotten so incredibly biased in the past few years that they can control the Democrat voters, and possibly a lot of independents. Biden in 2020 got a piggyback ride from them, where Hillary in 2016 didn't.
        "You should just assume going forward that if I am ever wrong it is a typo" - Backup
        "
        Reality simply does not change based upon consensus or desire." - rogue

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Ronson View Post


          The legacy media has gotten so incredibly biased in the past few years that they can control the Democrat voters, and possibly a lot of independents. Biden in 2020 got a piggyback ride from them, where Hillary in 2016 didn't.
          As Obama so aptly described her "you're likeable -- enough."

          I'm fully expecting juvie to come along screaming that Obama didn't pause between likeable and enough -- as if it really mattered. The point is that he damned her with faint praise.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            As Obama so aptly described her "you're likeable -- enough."

            I'm fully expecting juvie to come along screaming that Obama didn't pause between likeable and enough -- as if it really mattered. The point is that he damned her with faint praise.
            No love lost between the Obamas and the Clintons. I'm certain Obama got his arm twisted to even give her a Secretary of State post, to keep her from running in 2012.
            "You should just assume going forward that if I am ever wrong it is a typo" - Backup
            "
            Reality simply does not change based upon consensus or desire." - rogue

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post

              No love lost between the Obamas and the Clintons. I'm certain Obama got his arm twisted to even give her a Secretary of State post, to keep her from running in 2012.
              I don't think Bill's remark about him helped

              "A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags."


              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #22
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                I don't think Bill's remark about him helped

                "A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags."
                Ewww! I hadn't heard that one before. Definitely elitist, and probably racist.
                "You should just assume going forward that if I am ever wrong it is a typo" - Backup
                "
                Reality simply does not change based upon consensus or desire." - rogue

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  The funny thing about it all is that if Comey had allowed the process to proceed and Hillary was indicted, the Democrats had a couple months to select and run another candidate. One who likely would have won.

                  So much of the Trump vote was not support for him as much as opposition to Hillary. With her out of the picture a lot of votes for Trump would have vanished.

                  Something like this happened a couple decades ago in New Jersey. Both parties nominated candidates for Senate that had really high unfavorable ratings and not long before the election the Democrat was indicted. So the Democrats nominated a retired Senator who agreed to serve one more term to replace him. He didn't have those high negative numbers, and even though he only had a few weeks to run he won quiet handedly, IIRC.

                  The Democrats could have picked Biden (who was still mostly lucid then) as a replacement, who almost certainly would have beat Trump.
                  "quiet handedly".

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                    "quiet handedly".
                    Just 'cause me older liddle twin brudda from anudda mudda ain't around much is no cause for you to try to usurp his position

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

                      “It all” being a classic conspiracy theory.

                      The glaring differences between this blog post and actual reporting are readily apparent.

                      In an actual news piece, every individual and organization mentioned from Fusion GPS to Obama would have been contacted for comment. Widely reported alternative explanations would have been explored. Glaring errors would have been removed in accord with consistently-maintained, independent editorial oversight. Crucial facts would not have been omitted. Perkins Coie was originally engaged to investigate Trump by his Republican opponents. Bill Browder was the subject of the Fusion GPS investigation he testified against. That investigation found him included among the tax scofflaws in the Panama Papers. Investigations into Carter Page began long before any association with the Trump campaign. The FBI found nothing useful in the Steele memos that had not already been confirmed independently …

                      This is an article that could not survive outside its echo chamber, begging the question, can you survive outside yours.
                      It's okay, we understand you can't handle the truth.
                      "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus. So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
                      - Pfizer Scientist Chris Croce

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                        Ewww! I hadn't heard that one before. Definitely elitist, and probably racist.
                        He said it to Ted Kennedy, which some think was the deciding factor in his endorsing Obama shortly afterwards.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                          "quiet handedly".
                          It's a special way of holding a cup in polite society so that it doesn't clink when you put it down. IIRC, the first episode of Ouran High School Host Club explains it in detail.
                          1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                          Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                          .
                          "It is not divine truth that makes the man seem more innocent in what is equally sinful, but human wrong-headedness." AUGUSTINE: re adultery

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

                            “It all” being a classic conspiracy theory.

                            The glaring differences between this blog post and actual reporting are readily apparent.

                            In an actual news piece, every individual and organization mentioned from Fusion GPS to Obama would have been contacted for comment. Widely reported alternative explanations would have been explored. Glaring errors would have been removed in accord with consistently-maintained, independent editorial oversight. Crucial facts would not have been omitted. Perkins Coie was originally engaged to investigate Trump by his Republican opponents. Bill Browder was the subject of the Fusion GPS investigation he testified against. That investigation found him included among the tax scofflaws in the Panama Papers. Investigations into Carter Page began long before any association with the Trump campaign. The FBI found nothing useful in the Steele memos that had not already been confirmed independently …

                            This is an article that could not survive outside its echo chamber, begging the question, can you survive outside yours.
                            So, it would wait for full explanation of the facts before reporting on it. Like with the actual news sources did with the Covington situation? It would ensure accuracy and completeness of information like it did when it called Hunter's laptop Russian disinformation?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                              It's a special way of holding a cup in polite society so that it doesn't clink when you put it down. IIRC, the first episode of Ouran High School Host Club explains it in detail.
                              Hey tab. Can you come here for a moment? No. A little closer. And step away from the building since there's no need to damage it.

                              smiley Overkill 2.gif

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

                                “It all” being a classic conspiracy theory.

                                The glaring differences between this blog post and actual reporting are readily apparent.

                                In an actual news piece, every individual and organization mentioned from Fusion GPS to Obama would have been contacted for comment. Widely reported alternative explanations would have been explored. Glaring errors would have been removed in accord with consistently-maintained, independent editorial oversight. Crucial facts would not have been omitted. Perkins Coie was originally engaged to investigate Trump by his Republican opponents. Bill Browder was the subject of the Fusion GPS investigation he testified against. That investigation found him included among the tax scofflaws in the Panama Papers. Investigations into Carter Page began long before any association with the Trump campaign. The FBI found nothing useful in the Steele memos that had not already been confirmed independently …

                                This is an article that could not survive outside its echo chamber, begging the question, can you survive outside yours.
                                So what did the "blog post" actually get wrong?
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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