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  • #16
    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

    If Republicans didn't want their theory to be confused with the racist one, they probably should have named it something else.
    As far as here in America, I seem to recall Bernie Sanders, once a staunch opponent of illegal immigration, brought up a conspiracy theory version of it, only he argued it was a replacement of "cheap labor" orchestrated by the Koch Brothers. Then as I recall, Biden brought it up and described it as a racial replacement of whites in America. Then it seemed to spin off from there.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Stoic View Post

      If Republicans didn't want their theory to be confused with the racist one, they probably should have named it something else.
      "Replacement theory" is something but sides were talking about for many years, not just the Republicans. It appears to be only recently that some have put the twist of accusing the Jews of being behind it.

      So it's sort of like whining that if Christians don't want the symbol of their faith to be confused with a racist one, they probably should have picked a different one than what the KKK likes to burn.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

        According to the ADL

        https://www.adl.org/resources/backgr...t-an-explainer


        Once largely relegated to white supremacist rhetoric, “The Great Replacement” has made its way into mainstream consciousness in the past several years. From the chants of “Jews Will Not Replace Us” on the University of Virginia campus to then-U.S. Rep. Steve King’s tweeted protest, “We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies,” to Fox News’ Tucker Carlson’s complaints that the Democratic party is attempting to “replace the current electorate” with “third-world voters,” the racist conspiracy theory has well and truly arrived.

        The following provides an introduction to “The Great Replacement:” Where it began, how it feeds into white supremacist grievances and which “mainstream” personalities have used it to score points and signal (not so subtly) their nativist point of view.

        Origin Story
        • “The Great Replacement” theory has its roots in early 20th century French nationalism and books by French nationalist and author Maurice Barres. However, it was French writer and critic Renaud Camus who popularized the phrase for today’s audiences when he published an essay titled "Le Grand Remplacement," or "the great replacement," in 2011. Camus himself alluded to the “great replacement theory” in his earlier works and was apparently influenced by Jean Raspail’s racist novel, The Camp of the Saints.
        • Camus believes that native white Europeans are being replaced in their countries by non-white immigrants from Africa and the Middle East, and the end result will be the extinction of the white race.
        • Camus focused on Muslim immigration to Europe and the theory that Muslims and other non-white populations had a much higher birth rate than whites. His initial concept did not focus on Jews and was not antisemitic.
        • The “great replacement” philosophy was quickly adopted and promoted by the white supremacist movement, as it fit into their conspiracy theory about the impending destruction of the white race, also know as “white genocide.” It is also a strong echo of the white supremacist rallying cry, “the 14 words:” “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”
        • Since many white supremacists, particularly those in the United States, blame Jews for non-white immigration to the U.S. the replacement theory is now associated with antisemitism.
        • The night before the August 2017 the Unite the Right rally, white supremacists, marching across the University of Virginia campus, shouted, “Jews will not replace us,” and “You will not replace us,” clear references to Camus’ theory.

        Use By Individual Extremists
        • In October 2018, white supremacist Robert Bowers killed 11 people at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, PA, after writing a Gab post blaming Jews for bringing non-white immigrants and refugees to the U.S.
        • In March 2019, white supremacist Brenton Tarrant livestreamed himself killing 51 people at two mosques in New Zealand. Tarrant also released a manifesto online called “The Great Replacement,” an homage to Camus’ work.
        • In April 2019, white supremacist John Earnest killed one and injured three at a synagogue in Poway, CA. In a letter he released online, Earnest claimed that Jews were responsible for the genocide of “white Europeans,” and cited the influence of Bowers and Tarrant.
        • In August 2019, white supremacist Patrick Crusius opened fire at a Walmart in El Paso, TX, killing 23 people and wounding almost two dozen. In a manifesto, Crusius talked about a “Hispanic invasion” and made reference to the great replacement.
        • In May 2022, white supremacist Payton Gendron allegedly murdered 10 people and wounded three more at a supermarket in Buffalo, NY. The shooter, who drove 200 miles to target a Black community, repeatedly cited and promoted the Great Replacement in his online writings, and as motivation for his rampage. In December 2021, he posted: “The Great Replacement theory is real, at the current rate whites will be the minority. This is white genocide.”

        Use By Politicians
        • In April 2019, Heinz-Christian Strache, campaigning for the Freedom Party of Austria ahead of the 2019 European Parliament election, endorsed the “great replacement” theory.
        • The Identitarian movement, a white nationalist movement in Europe, has promoted the “great replacement” theory. Martin Sellner, the head of Generation Identitaire in Austria, is a particularly vocal promoter.
        • Marine Le Pen, a far-right French politician, also promoted the idea of the “great replacement.”
        • In March 2017, then-GOP Congressman (IA) Steve King tweeted his support for Geert Wilders a well-known anti-immigration activist from Europe. “Wilders understands that culture and demographics are our destiny,” the Congressman wrote. “We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies.” The tweet, which won praise from white supremacists, was a clear reference to replacement theory. In August 2018, King gave an interview to a far-right magazine in Austria, in which he promoted the “great replacement” theory.
        • In an interview on Fox News Justice with Judge Jeanine in July 2020, GOP Congressman Matt Gaetz claimed that an "attempted cultural genocide" was occurring in the US and that the left wanted to "replace America."

        Use by Media/Tech Personalities
        • In July 2017, Lauren Southern, a Canadian far-right activist, released a video titled, “The Great Replacement,” promoting Camus’ themes. That summer, Southern was involved in “Defend Europe,” a project lead by European white nationalists to block the arrival of boats carrying African immigrants. Southern’s video further popularized Camus’ theory.
        • In October 2018, on Fox News' The Ingraham Angle, host Laura Ingraham said, "your views on immigration will have zero impact and zero influence on a House dominated by Democrats who want to replace you, the American voters, with newly amnestied citizens and an ever increasing number of chain migrants."
        • In October 2019, Jeanine Pirro was discussing Democrats' hatred of Trump on Fox Nation's The Todd Starnes Show. She declared, "Think about it. It is a plot to remake America, to replace American citizens with illegals that will vote for the Democrats."
        • On April 8, 2021, on Tucker Carlson Tonight, the host explicitly promoted the ‘great replacement” theory. Carlson discussed “Third World” immigrants coming to the US who affiliate with the Democratic Party. He asserted, “I know that the left and all the little gatekeepers on Twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term 'replacement,' if you suggest that the Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate — the voters now casting ballots — with new people, more obedient voters from the Third World, but they become hysterical because that's what's happening, actually. Let's just say it. That's true."
        • On April 11, 2021, Andrew Torba, the founder of Gab, posted on his own platform: “Now today the ADL is trying to cancel Tucker Carlson for daring to speak the truth about the reality of demographic replacement that is absolutely and unequivocally going on in The West. These are not ‘hateful’ statements, they objective facts that can no longer be ignored.”
        Interesting that your source only cites politicians and others using it from 2017 when it has been discussed far longer than that. Where, for instance, is mention of Ruy Teixeira's 2002 book for instance? Moreover, where is Biden's, Durbin's or Nadler's references to it?

        This looks like a very carefully crafted list of cherry-picked examples designed to omit the references that don't support the narrative.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Stoic View Post

          If Republicans didn't want their theory to be confused with the racist one, they probably should have named it something else.
          The Republicans didn't name it.
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            Once largely relegated to white supremacist rhetoric, “The Great Replacement” has made its way into mainstream consciousness in the past several years. From the chants of “Jews Will Not Replace Us” on the University of Virginia campus to then-U.S. Rep. Steve King’s tweeted protest, “We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies,” to Fox News’ Tucker Carlson’s complaints that the Democratic party is attempting to “replace the current electorate” with “third-world voters,” the racist conspiracy theory has well and truly arrived.
            Even you can see that Tucker's point is about politics, not race. It is clearly a back door way for the leftists to create a one party state. And if these immigrants voted 80% Republican Pelosi and Schumer would be down there building the wall by hand, brick by brick. This is a political push by the liberals.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #21
              "I woke up one morning, and all of my stuff had been stolen and replaced by exact duplicates." -- Steven Wright

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              • #22
                Originally posted by seer View Post

                Even you can see that Tucker's point is about politics, not race. It is clearly a back door way for the leftists to create a one party state. And if these immigrants voted 80% Republican Pelosi and Schumer would be down there building the wall by hand, brick by brick. This is a political push by the liberals.


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                Actually, probably more like
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                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Interesting that your source only cites politicians and others using it from 2017 when it has been discussed far longer than that. Where, for instance, is mention of Ruy Teixeira's 2002 book for instance? Moreover, where is Biden's, Durbin's or Nadler's references to it?

                  This looks like a very carefully crafted list of cherry-picked examples designed to omit the references that don't support the narrative.
                  Take it up with the ADL.
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by seer View Post

                    Even you can see that Tucker's point is about politics, not race. It is clearly a back door way for the leftists to create a one party state. And if these immigrants voted 80% Republican Pelosi and Schumer would be down there building the wall by hand, brick by brick. This is a political push by the liberals.
                    I have no idea what Mr Carlson may or may not have said as I do not have access to Fox News. I addressed a remark by NorrinRadd and gave the ADL site's comments.
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      I have no idea what Mr Carlson may or may not have said as I do not have access to Fox News. I addressed a remark by NorrinRadd and gave the ADL site's comments.
                      Well I listen to Tucker every night - and his point is about the political shift not the race of the immigrants. And the ADL is left wing and the fact that they linked Tucker's position to race is slander...
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                        Take it up with the ADL.
                        Given that they included not one example that doesn't prop up the narrative, and studiously ignored all those that contradicted it (I merely cited four examples), are you willing to argue that this isn't a case of cherry picking?

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          I have no idea what Mr Carlson may or may not have said as I do not have access to Fox News. I addressed a remark by NorrinRadd and gave the ADL site's comments.
                          If Tucker Carlson had been linking it to race rather than politics, don't you think we would be seeing a bunch of videos providing the quotes? The fact that we aren't seeing anything even straining to make that connection by taking his words out of context on MSNBC and CNN ought to tell you all you need to know.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            Given that they included not one example that doesn't prop up the narrative, and studiously ignored all those that contradicted it (I merely cited four examples), are you willing to argue that this isn't a case of cherry picking?
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            If Tucker Carlson had been linking it to race rather than politics, don't you think we would be seeing a bunch of videos providing the quotes? The fact that we aren't seeing anything even straining to make that connection by taking his words out of context on MSNBC and CNN ought to tell you all you need to know.
                            If you "say" so.
                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by seer View Post

                              And the ADL is left wing and the fact that they linked Tucker's position to race is slander...
                              Leftie Jews eh? That has a long history.
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                                Leftie Jews eh? That has a long history.
                                Well they are left, and in this case what they said is slander. And your long history trope trying to tie me to racism is also slander.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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