OK Groomer...

[seer]

I don't think you can. It is part of society now. We have legalized gay marriage and adoption. People who are trans are becoming everyday elements of everyday life. And the reality is that children growing up in that world for the most part do not understand your viewpoint. Children always often see their parents faults and hypocrites far clearer than we ourselves do.. and they are far less bound to the historical reasons for having them. Thay are far more tolerant and accepting of it than their parents or their grandparents. Unless they are taught by their parents or church to hate it, it's just becoming more and more normal to them.

This is what I'm seeing anyway.

So what is your point? We should surrender to the world? And let me tell you Jim, parents are waking up - whether it is about these sexual issues in school or CRT. And teaching our children that these behaviors are wrong is not hate full. And did you miss this: BTW Jim, I have a question - do you believe that homosexual behavior is a sin?

[oxmixmudd]

So what is your point? We should surrender to the world? And let me tell you Jim, parents are waking up - whether it is about these sexual issues in school or CRT. And teaching our children that these behaviors are wrong is not hate full. And did you miss this: BTW Jim, I have a question - do you believe that homosexual behavior is a sin?

I have answered that question many times here at tweb. But I refuse to answer you directly now because you have staged it as a litmus test for 'true' faith in Christ. And the answer to that question can not and does not function as such a test.

OtOH, I share many of your concerns. So while i don't share the denial that in some cases trans is what people actually are, or the denial of the fact that research shows that attempts to reorient the more extreme cases of trans to a cis gender tend to be destructive, I do share your concern that overt acceptance, even hyper focus on, trans or lgbtq lifestyles will cause many that gravitate towards the exotic or different to pursue these when it is against their long term best interests. I tend to think that absent the overt focus we have right now, most that have ambivalent feelings in these areas if given light guidance towards a cis-gender life would in fact find themselves quite content there, and overall more healthy over the course of their lives.

[seer]

I have answered that question many times here at tweb. But I refuse to answer you directly now because you have staged it as a litmus test for 'true' faith in Christ. And the answer to that question can not and does not function as such a test.

I did not ask to judge your faith, but to see where your head is at - it may explain why you are coming to the conclusions you are.

OtOH, I share many of your concerns. So while i don't share the denial that in some cases trans is what people actually are, or the denial of the fact that research shows that attempts to reorient the more extreme cases of trans to a cis gender tend to be destructive, I do share your concern that overt acceptance, even hyper focus on, trans or lgbtq lifestyles will cause many that gravitate towards the exotic or different to pursue these when it is against their long term best interests. I tend to think that absent the overt focus we have right now, most that have ambivalent feelings in these areas if given light guidance towards a cis-gender life would in fact find themselves quite content there, and overall more healthy over the course of their lives.

OK....

[Starlight]

From your link, and why these teachers need to be in prison...

...Speakers went so far as to tout their surveillance of students’ Google searches, internet activity, and hallway conversations in order to target sixth graders for personal invitations to LGBTQ clubs, while actively concealing these clubs’ membership rolls from participants’ parents.

They should be in prison for inviting at-risk kids to support groups? And for failing to potentially cause abuse by notifying parents who might abuse their kids as a result?

Your morality is super super backward.

[seer]

They should be in prison for inviting at-risk kids to support groups? And for failing to potentially cause abuse by notifying parents who might abuse their kids as a result?

Your morality is super super backward.

Yep, they should be in prison for usurping parental authority. No teacher knows and loves my kids more than me. The fact that you find this troubling is what is morally disturbing...

[Starlight]

Yep, they should be in prison for usurping parental authority.

Something I have noticed over the years is how much of an international cultural outlier that US conservative views about child-rearing are. You don't seem to recognize that children are their own person with their own rights as a human being, and that parents, teachers, and the government, all have responsibilities toward them.

Instead the US conservatives seem to have a policy of maximum selfishness: The belief that as parents you have 100% the right to raise your children however you feel like. That you are fully entitled to narcissistically try to make them as much exact replicas as yourself as you can, and if it needs indoctrination, hiding information from them to make sure they don't make choices different to yours, and mistreating them if they stray in order to stay on your life plan for them, then that's fine and even good.

Whereas the rest of the world accepts that children are their own person, separate from their parents, that the parents have the duty and responsibly to nurture them and help them reach their potential, and that the life choices that the child makes might be different to the parents and that the parents have no business taking choices away from the child. This is reflected in the fact that the US is pretty much the only country in the world that still refuses to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, because you conservatives still refuse to accept that children are their own person who have their own rights. As maximally selfish individuals you want to steal all their rights for yourselves as their parents.

[NorrinRadd]

Yep, they should be in prison for usurping parental authority. No teacher knows and loves my kids more than me. The fact that you find this troubling is what is morally disturbing...

My rule of thumb is that anything Star declares "super super backward" is probably right and just and true.

[seer]

Something I have noticed over the years is how much of an international cultural outlier that US conservative views about child-rearing are. You don't seem to recognize that children are their own person with their own rights as a human being, and that parents, teachers, and the government, all have responsibilities toward them.

Instead the US conservatives seem to have a policy of maximum selfishness: The belief that as parents you have 100% the right to raise your children however you feel like. That you are fully entitled to narcissistically try to make them as much exact replicas as yourself as you can, and if it needs indoctrination, hiding information from them to make sure they don't make choices different to yours, and mistreating them if they stray in order to stay on your life plan for them, then that's fine and even good.

Whereas the rest of the world accepts that children are their own person, separate from their parents, that the parents have the duty and responsibly to nurture them and help them reach their potential, and that the life choices that the child makes might be different to the parents and that the parents have no business taking choices away from the child. This is reflected in the fact that the US is pretty much the only country in the world that still refuses to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, because you conservatives still refuse to accept that children are their own person who have their own rights. As maximally selfish individuals you want to steal all their rights for yourselves as their parents.

That is nonsense - Child rights go only so far, they can't vote, buy beer, drive a car, decide to get their privates cut off, consent to sex with an adult, or generally care for themselves. And again, no one knows or loves the child more than their parents. If that is narcissism then so be it. The fact is what my link pointed out was that they are using government agents (teachers) to spy on our children. Follow their Google searches, internet activity, and hallway conversations, etc... It is Orwellian to the max. The left needs to keep their hand off our kids. Civil wars have kicked off for less.

[Gondwanaland]

They should be in prison for inviting at-risk kids to support groups? And for failing to potentially cause abuse by notifying parents who might abuse their kids as a result?

Your morality is super super backward.

In prison? Not sure. But they should certainly be out of a job and blacklisted from any future job that puts them within 500 feet of children.

[Catholicity]

I have answered that question many times here at tweb. But I refuse to answer you directly now because you have staged it as a litmus test for 'true' faith in Christ. And the answer to that question can not and does not function as such a test.

OtOH, I share many of your concerns. So while i don't share the denial that in some cases trans is what people actually are, or the denial of the fact that research shows that attempts to reorient the more extreme cases of trans to a cis gender tend to be destructive, I do share your concern that overt acceptance, even hyper focus on, trans or lgbtq lifestyles will cause many that gravitate towards the exotic or different to pursue these when it is against their long term best interests. I tend to think that absent the overt focus we have right now, most that have ambivalent feelings in these areas if given light guidance towards a cis-gender life would in fact find themselves quite content there, ae nd overall more healthy over the course of their lives.

Actually what has been destructive is NOT helping a trans person revert back to their biological sex, but rather helping them process the trauma/abuse/mental health issues that caused transgender to become an issue in the first place. Transgenderism is, in 90 percent of cases, caused by identical brain functions as eating disorders. With eating disorders, you work on whatever caused the issue in the first place. This is no different. Medical interventions are no more appropriate in these cases than plastic surgery is for an Anorexic. In the other 10 percent of cases the cause is rarely biological, but rather the person meets the criteria for another mental disorder that needs treatment. Less than one percent has any real root in biology (the very rare xxy, x or xxyy children that are one in 10 million) The only way to pretend in all other cases that it is biological is to deny science. The last time the medical community denied science to this extent it created the opioid epidemic. What's being done now? Cancer, sterilization, diabetes, severe osteoperosis, kidney failure and early death. On medical evidence alone, the "interventions" being peddled are reason enough to fight back.

[Starlight]

My rule of thumb is that anything Star declares "super super backward" is probably right and just and true.

Every time I think the sociopaths here can't get any more evil, you seem to chime in and take it as a compliment. It's rather disturbing. You realize that being the worst person in the world isn't something you should be trying to aspire to, right?

Civil wars have kicked off for less.

Have you ever sought psychiatric help regarding your apparent desire to mass-murder your countrymen? It seems like that might be helpful for you. This is far from the first time you've suggested that that might be a good solution to the problems you perceive in your country.

[seer]

Have you ever sought psychiatric help regarding your apparent desire to mass-murder your countrymen? It seems like that might be helpful for you. This is far from the first time you've suggested that that might be a good solution to the problems you perceive in your country.

Of course not, since I'm perfectly sane. If you start messing with a man's family and children you are going to get push back. And rightly so, and if you don't protect your family from government overreach then don't call your self a man. We are not all sheep like you Star. I doubt that you would put your life on the line - even for your loved ones...

[rogue06]

Of course not, since I'm perfectly sane. If you start messing with a man's family and children you are going to get push back. And rightly so, and if you don't protect your family from government overreach then don't call your self a man. We are not all sheep like you Star. I doubt that you would put your life on the line - even for your loved ones...

When someone starts messing with your family -- particularly the children -- all of a sudden there is no red or blue. Instead you get purple -- purple with rage. This was why a good number of folks in Virginia who were lifelong Democrats said they voted Republican this last time around.

[seer]

When someone starts messing with your family -- particularly the children -- all of a sudden there is no red or blue. Instead you get purple -- purple with rage. This was why a good number of folks in Virginia who were lifelong Democrats said they voted Republican this last time around.

Exactly, and we find this going on around the country. Mama bears are mostly holding the line. And despite Star's claim, I do not want to see a civil war - perhaps secession could be a peaceful way out...

[rogue06]

Exactly, and we find this going on around the country. Mama bears are mostly holding the line. And despite Star's claim, I do not want to see a civil war - perhaps secession could be a peaceful way out...

And then we could finally build a wall