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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    And with the underlined part you really are only little different than those who want to "teach all sides" of issues like biological evolution.



    The point is that there really isn't enough time to teach all sides -- even when there are instances where different points of view are legitimate. Especially when they are young children. That IS the time you simply stress the facts and in latter years you can start presenting alternative points of view on issues to be discussed.

    For instance, it is a biological fact that a biological male can NOT "transform" into a biological female. No matter what you might snip off or add. No matter what drugs you take. And no matter how much someone may insist otherwise, a biological male is still a biological male and will remain so. Period.
    On considering your comment, maybe a case could be made for teaching children the facts about transgender after all.

    Something along the lines of

    " Dysphoria is a psychological condition where a person feels a deep sense of distress about various circumstances that they have to live with. The condition called "gender dysphoria" for example is a condition where people are so distressed by their actual biological gender that they feel the need to present themselves as members of the opposite sex, and live as though they are members of the opposite sex."

    Maybe we could add a few others to the list

    "Racial Dysphoria"
    "Species Dysphoria"
    "Factual Dysphoria"
    ...
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    • Originally posted by seer View Post

      Nope, you are asking the child to agree that a boy can in fact be a girl. But you are making my point - you favor the student who wants to be called 'she' while dismissing the child who doesn't want to go along with the lie
      Not at all. I'm asking the child to see the whole picture. "Yes, Johnny, Freddy can't really be a girl as far as his body goes, but [explain gender dysphoria here] and it will make him happier if you refer to him as 'she'". There's no "sides", or shouldn't be.

      Thankfully we live in a Republic. Where we all have the ability to redress the powers that be.
      I was just trying to lighten the mood with a bit of humor after your "people like you should not be in charge". There's no way in heck I would want to be in any position of authority over you lot, I have enough white hair already.

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      • Originally posted by Alien View Post

        I was just trying to lighten the mood with a bit of humor after your "people like you should not be in charge". There's no way in heck I would want to be in any position of authority over you lot, I have enough white hair already.
        That brought a comment by an acquaintance a while ago to mind:

        "Thank god they're only in government and not running the country."

        Wholly irrelevant of course.
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        but that won't prevent others from
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        of the right to call yourself Christian.

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        • MSNBC analyst claims ‘Jesus Christ would be called a groomer’ if ‘alive today’

          https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-...er-alive-today
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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          • Originally posted by Catholicity View Post

            Actually using the desired pronouns can do more harm than good. There is a level of "social contagion" and "brain washing" that is responsible for the sudden outbreak of transgenderism among young females and young males. Using the desired pronouns in many cases ends up reinforcing the lie. Would you call an Anorexic student fat when she comes up and complains that all of her problems are related to her inability to be thin enough?
            Gender dysphoria was caused by social "contagion"? That's an interesting idea. Your anorexia example made me think. What it really boils down to is the best way to help the person. No, of course you wouldn't reinforce the delusion by calling the anorexic "fat", but you'd dern better be aware that she really does see herself as fat, and that saying "You're really thin" isn't going to make any difference. I have no idea how anorexics are treated, so I'll stop there. The big difference I see is that it's critically important (to the point of survival) that we get the anorexic to eat again. I don't see that with gender dysphorics. A boy isn't going to die if he lives as a girl. It may be a perfectly reasonable "treatment".

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            • Originally posted by seer View Post

              You can hold any position you wish, but remember what this thread is about - infecting the minds of young children. Often behind the back of the parents...
              Yes, I know. I'm just not accepting that as a "given". No offense meant.

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              • Originally posted by Alien View Post

                Not at all. I'm asking the child to see the whole picture. "Yes, Johnny, Freddy can't really be a girl as far as his body goes, but [explain gender dysphoria here] and it will make him happier if you refer to him as 'she'". There's no "sides", or shouldn't be.
                Sorry, the schools should not be promoting a lie. You can treat a person kindly with out joining in the delusion. And you will never hear Freddy can't really be a girl thing in the class room.


                There's no way in heck I would want to be in any position of authority over you lot, I have enough white hair already.
                Our manly retort has scared you off!

                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by Alien View Post

                  Gender dysphoria was caused by social "contagion"? That's an interesting idea.
                  I've been toying with the idea that the gender wars might be a contributing factor.

                  Your anorexia example made me think. What it really boils down to is the best way to help the person. No, of course you wouldn't reinforce the delusion by calling the anorexic "fat", but you'd dern better be aware that she really does see herself as fat, and that saying "You're really thin" isn't going to make any difference. I have no idea how anorexics are treated, so I'll stop there. The big difference I see is that it's critically important (to the point of survival) that we get the anorexic to eat again. I don't see that with gender dysphorics. A boy isn't going to die if he lives as a girl. It may be a perfectly reasonable "treatment".
                  Where they are used, the drugs carry significant health risks and act to reduce life expectancy (according to information to hand).
                  1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                  .
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                  Scripture before Tradition:
                  but that won't prevent others from
                  taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                  of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    And with the underlined part you really are only little different than those who want to "teach all sides" of issues like biological evolution.

                    Quite a lot different. I'm not talking about established science, but subjects where there are genuine differences of opinion. Poorly phrased perhaps.

                    The point is that there really isn't enough time to teach all sides -- even when there are instances where different points of view are legitimate. Especially when they are young children. That IS the time you simply stress the facts and in latter years you can start presenting alternative points of view on issues to be discussed.

                    For instance, it is a biological fact that a biological male can NOT "transform" into a biological female. No matter what you might snip off or add. No matter what drugs you take. And no matter how much someone may insist otherwise, a biological male is still a biological male and will remain so. Period.
                    Why is that the only fact you guys want to be presented? What about the whole subject of gender dysphoria, to which that would be no more than the opening sentence? Anything you say is misleading unless the whole subject is covered. And what do you say to the child that asks questions that go beyond the "facts" you allow teachers to submit? Sorry, you mustn't know that?

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                    • Originally posted by seer View Post

                      Sorry, the schools should not be promoting a lie. You can treat a person kindly with out joining in the delusion. And you will never hear Freddy can't really be a girl thing in the class room.
                      Of course not, but are they really saying "Freddy can be a girl (physically)". If so they need to be much more nuanced. I repeat, that can't be the only thing they say, the whole subject must be covered. Incidentally, what you say to a trans child in therapy is different from what you should say in an open classroom.

                      Frankly, I think we could both benefit from some study of what is really going on. Not some outlier cases reported by right wing media, and not what left wing trans supporters say, but the facts.

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                      • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                        I've been toying with the idea that the gender wars might be a contributing factor.
                        Or the clone wars?

                        Where they are used, the drugs carry significant health risks and act to reduce life expectancy (according to information to hand).
                        So does suicide. I can only hope that all treatment is applied with extreme care, balancing all risks.

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                        • Originally posted by Alien View Post

                          Of course not, but are they really saying "Freddy can be a girl (physically)". If so they need to be much more nuanced. I repeat, that can't be the only thing they say, the whole subject must be covered. Incidentally, what you say to a trans child in therapy is different from what you should say in an open classroom.

                          Frankly, I think we could both benefit from some study of what is really going on. Not some outlier cases reported by right wing media, and not what left wing trans supporters say, but the facts.
                          This is exactly why it should not be taught in school, especially grade school. Neither side will move, there is really no middle ground. So a trans kid and their parents need to deal with this with their kid and their doctors and keep it out of the school. While teachers can foster kindness no matter how, or in what way, a kid may be different.
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • Originally posted by seer View Post
                            MSNBC analyst claims ‘Jesus Christ would be called a groomer’ if ‘alive today’

                            https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-...er-alive-today
                            From the same sort of folks who would tell you that Jesus was a socialist, or gay, or a number of things that match up to the current soup du jour fad of the moment that they seek to push.

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                            • Originally posted by Alien View Post

                              Or the clone wars?
                              I remember being told some years ago of a young child who didn't want to become a teenager. When he was questioned about why, it turned out that all the negative stereotypes about teenagers that he had been exposed to had him scared witless. He didn't want to become like that.
                              For a child who struggles with gender identity (and they are many), it seems possible that the gender wars might just add to the difficulties.
                              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                              .
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                              Scripture before Tradition:
                              but that won't prevent others from
                              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                              of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                              • Radical Gender Lessons for Young Children

                                The Evanston–Skokie School District adopts a curriculum that teaches K-3 students to “break the binary” of gender.

                                The Evanston–Skokie School District has adopted a radical gender curriculum that teaches pre-kindergarten through third-grade students to celebrate the transgender flag, break the “gender binary” established by white “colonizers,” and experiment with neo-pronouns such as “ze,” “zir,” and “tree.”

                                I have obtained the full curriculum documents, which are part of the Chicago-area district’s “LGBTQ+ Equity Week,” which administrators adopted last year. The curriculum begins in pre-kindergarten, with a series of lessons on sexual orientation and gender identity. The lesson plan opens with an introduction to the rainbow flag and teaches students that “each color in the flag has a meaning.” The teacher also presents the transgender flag and the basic concepts of gender identity, explaining that “we call people with more than one gender or no gender, non-binary or queer.” Finally, the lesson plan has the teacher leading a class project to create a rainbow flag, with instructions to “gather students on the rug,” “ask them to show you their flags,” and “proudly hang the class flag where they can all see it.”

                                https://christopherrufo.com/radical-...oung-children/


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                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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