What is a Woman?

[Mountain Man]

And Deuteronomy 14.3 has the deity stating

You shall not eat any abhorrent thing/Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing

In your "considered opinion" what other supernatural entity is this entity referencing concerning what is deemed to be abominable or abhorrent?

The word means the same thing in both instances. The difference is in who the thing is considered an abomination to.

"This is an abomination to God" vs "This shall be an abomination to you", which is to say it is a difference between moral law and ceremonial law.

If you still don't understand then I suggest you go slam your head in a door a few hundred times and see if you can't knock some sense into yourself. It certainly couldn't make you any dumber.

[Machinist]

The word means the same thing in both instances. The difference is in who the thing is considered an abomination to.

"This is an abomination to God" vs "This shall be an abomination to you", which is to say it is a difference between moral law and ceremonial law.

If you still don't understand then I suggest you go slam your head in a door a few hundred times and see if you can't knock some sense into yourself. It certainly couldn't make you any dumber.

That's interesting. An abomination that God prescribes to you is not necessarily an abomination Him.

I'm still wondering why certain sins are considered abominations and others aren't. It just seems that murder is worse than a man wearing a pink lacey thong.

[mossrose]

I was just postulating a motive. I do know you are not shy in telling anyyone on tweb when you think they are sinning or not acting like a Christian, but you seem to be reluctant to point out that LBGT behavior is a sin because it might be perceived as "condemnation" and you want to "wait for God to reveal it to them" somehow. To me that sounds like you are reluctant to hurt their feelings with the truth.

Perhaps God is waiting for ox to reveal it to them.

Or does ox think God will audibly speak to the person. Because, you know, God has used people all through history to tell others about Him. Why should this situation be any different?

[Roy]

An adult biological female. Any questions? Any disagreement?

Total disagreement. You forgot to include "human" in your definition. An adult biological female might be not a woman, but a mare, ewe, jill, vixen, sow, or bitch.

[seer]

Total disagreement. You forgot to include "human" in your definition. An adult biological female might be not a woman, but a mare, ewe, jill, vixen, sow, or bitch.

Of course, everyone else got the gist - save pedantic Roy... After all the title of the thread is what it a WOMAN.

[Sparko]

The bottom line is this: the Bible clearly says it is detestable to God, so looking for loopholes is the wrong approach.

So now you are back to it is wrong no matter why someone is doing it? So a woman wearing pants would be a sin, then.

I was just pointing out that it can be more complicated than that. Like I said, my mom's old church was very legalistic on such things and I think that is wrong.

[Sparko]

It's not about hurting feelings. It is about making sure that they know we are not about trying to hurt or destroy them - a gay or trans person, even in our current society, must endure a great deal of very hostile behavior.

In today's society people bend over backwards to accept them and even consider them "heroes" and applaud them.

And again, nobody is talking about hurting them or being mean to them or destroy them. Just telling them that homosexuality is a sin. Just like you would tell someone that stealing is a sin. I am not advocating just walking up to strangers and start preaching at them that they are sinners. I am talking about talking to people in your own circle of friends who might be on the wrong path. Or people who want to join your church. Telling them that homosexual behavior is a sin is simply telling them the truth. It is not THEM personally that are somehow bad, it is their behavior that is a problem. They are worthy of God's love and salvation. Their sins are not.

Paul was not so timid in speaking about such things in Romans 1. And I think we are living in such a time right now, where society not only ignores God but openly approves sin.

¹⁸ The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, ¹⁹ since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. ²⁰ For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

²¹ For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. ²² Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools ²³ and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

²⁴ Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. ²⁵ They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

²⁶ Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. ²⁷ In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

²⁸ Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. ²⁹ They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, ³⁰ slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; ³¹ they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. ³² Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

[Machinist]

If it's an abomination for a man to dress like woman, then why risk it? It may or may not be an abomination anymore to Him, but the last thing that was even said about it was thousands of years ago in the OT. You may think it's ok and dress like a woman, even slip into a fresh pair of intimate unmentionables, but why risk it? We are living in a very dangerous and very confusing dispensation.

[seer]

If it's an abomination for a man to dress like woman, then why risk it? It may or may not be an abomination anymore to Him, but the last thing that was even said about it was thousands of years ago in the OT. You may think it's ok and dress like a woman, even slip into a fresh pair of intimate unmentionables, but why risk it? We are living in a very dangerous and very confusing dispensation.

I think the main point is that God "created them male and female." Gender blending tries to erase that distinction.

[Mountain Man]

That's interesting. An abomination that God prescribes to you is not necessarily an abomination Him.

Exactly!

I'm still wondering why certain sins are considered abominations and others aren't. It just seems that murder is worse than a man wearing a pink lacey thong.

Perhaps because some sins are more obvious than others? I don't know. It's an interesting question.

[Machinist]

I think the main point is that God "created them male and female." Gender blending tries to erase that distinction.

Gender Blender.

[Machinist]

Exactly!


Perhaps because some sins are more obvious than others? I don't know. It's an interesting question.

Like whail tailing.

[oxmixmudd]

Perhaps God is waiting for ox to reveal it to them.

Or does ox think God will audibly speak to the person. Because, you know, God has used people all through history to tell others about Him. Why should this situation be any different?

I'm surprised you mock the idea of God revealing himself to us, or of making clear to us the nature of our sin. This is fundamental to the Christian life. We are in a relationship with God, we are following Him. So how can that be if God never convicts us or directs us. Relationships are two way things. Not only that, the Bible tells us that it is the Holy spirit that reveals God's truth to us, even wrt understanding scripture.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The word means the same thing in both instances. The difference is in who the thing is considered an abomination to.

"This is an abomination to God" vs "This shall be an abomination to you", which is to say it is a difference between moral law and ceremonial law.

If you still don't understand then I suggest you go slam your head in a door a few hundred times and see if you can't knock some sense into yourself. It certainly couldn't make you any dumber.

And once again you are ignoring the question.

Which other entity finds eating unclean animals abhorrent? There is no mention in Deuteronomy 14.3 of any abomination "to you."

It is the deity that finds the eating of certain unclean animals to be an abomination/abhorrent. That same entity finds women dressing as men abhorrent.

So where precisely is the difference between the deity's abhorrence between eating unclean animals and the deity's abhorrence of women dressing as men?

[Mountain Man]

So now you are back to it is wrong no matter why someone is doing it? So a woman wearing pants would be a sin, then.

I was just pointing out that it can be more complicated than that. Like I said, my mom's old church was very legalistic on such things and I think that is wrong.

As I said, when the Bible says, "You shall not..." we shouldn't start looking for loopholes (and before the peanut gallery interjects, making a distinction between moral law and ceremonial law is not a "loophole"). Of course things can go too far the other way, with the scriptures being applied in ways that were never intended, such as forbidding women to wear clothing that are considered unisex.