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    US Assistant Secretary of State Nuland Admits The Existence of Biolabs in Ukraine

    https://rumble.com/vwxwjh-us-assista...labs-in-u.html

    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    It just gets better and better.
    "What am I doing here?" -- Joe Biden 2021

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    • #3
      Originally posted by seanD View Post
      It just gets better and better.
      And why was she so worried if those labs fell into Russian hands? Are they experimenting with deadly pathogens?
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #4
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        US Assistant Secretary of State Nuland Admits The Existence of Biolabs in Ukraine

        https://rumble.com/vwxwjh-us-assista...labs-in-u.html
        I was hoping to hear Ron Paul's take on it.
        "You should just assume going forward that if I am ever wrong it is a typo" - Backup
        "
        Reality simply does not change based upon consensus or desire." - rogue

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          US Assistant Secretary of State Nuland Admits The Existence of Biolabs in Ukraine

          https://rumble.com/vwxwjh-us-assista...labs-in-u.html
          At this point I am left to wonder whether we are better off these death labs are in the hands of Russia rather than China, or the US.

          The leftist conditioning has it's effects.

          ​​​​​

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          • #6
            The Russians and Chinese are sure pushing the claim as is ... QAnon.


            I suspect if this was the REAL™ reason for the invasion as is now being suggested that Spetsnaz Special Forces would have been air dropped in to seize them and other forces would have been making a bee-line directly toward them.

            Oh, btw, some of those reporting on this also claims the Russians bombed a villa or dachas secretly owned by old Joe

            I'm always still in trouble again

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              The Russians and Chinese are sure pushing the claim as is ... QAnon.


              I suspect if this was the REAL™ reason for the invasion as is now being suggested that Spetsnaz Special Forces would have been air dropped in to seize them and other forces would have been making a bee-line directly toward them.

              Oh, btw, some of those reporting on this also claims the Russians bombed a villa or dachas secretly owned by old Joe
              ^That.

              This is a false flag operation so that Russia can unleash bio/chemical weapons and claim it was Ukraine (and the US). Looks like Putin is determined to drag the US into the fight one way or another. I think he wants WW3.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

                I suspect if this was the REAL™ reason for the invasion as is now being suggested...
                I don't think it is the real reason for the invasion, it may have been one of many, but these labs do exist, and seem to be dangerous...

                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seer View Post

                  I don't think it is the real reason for the invasion, it may have been one of many, but these labs do exist, and seem to be dangerous...
                  The thing is, if you believe there are dangerous bioweapon labs near you, you don't go around indiscriminately bombing entire cities, and you sure don't bomb a biolab because you could accidentally release the viruses or chemicals that you are so worried about. What you do is expose the labs to the UN and demand they be removed. If they don't, then if you decide to invade, you do a surgical strike and capture the labs safely, again, not bombing them.


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                  • #10
                    Here is an interesting story from 2018, saying Russia has been using propaganda against such labs for quite a while now (this one is about a lab in Georgia (the country)) and says one of the functions it is to secure pathogens from Soviet era weapons which were formerly housed in failing Soviet labs that were failing, and the even the Russians have such labs themselves.

                    https://www.codastory.com/disinforma...sias-doorstep/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                      ^That.

                      This is a false flag operation so that Russia can unleash bio/chemical weapons and claim it was Ukraine (and the US).
                      Looking that way to me as well. And wouldn't be the first one - they got caught early in the buildup/entry into the war straight up faking an IED that they blamed on Ukrainians in the Donbarr region:
                      https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022...in-the-donbas/
                      With Russia’s invasion of Ukraine ongoing, it’s easy to forget the flurry of dubious provocations and staged events that appear to have been designed to implicate the Ukrainian armed forces and drum up military aggression in the days before the first shots were fired.


                      These included videos showing alleged border incursions by the Ukrainian military and footage of purported saboteurs attempting to blow up a chlorine facility at a sewage treatment plant – both of which showed nothing of the sort.

                      But one suspicious video, which showed a gruesome scene of charred bodies and human skulls that seemed to have been sliced open, appeared so serious and egregious that Bellingcat decided to investigate further, speaking to an explosive weapons expert and a forensic pathologist in the process.

                      What they told us was that an apparent IED (improvised explosive device) attack used by separatist and Russian media as evidence of Ukraine’s aggression included the staged use of cadavers and likely faked IED damage.

                      The incident in question took place on a highway between Donetsk and Horlivka in separatist-held Ukraine on 22 February, 2022 at approximately 0500 AM (local time). An IED was reported to have detonated on the highway, impacting two vehicles – a van and a car.

                      According to the spokesman of the Ministry of Defence of the ‘Donetsk People’s Republic’ Eduard Basurin, three people were reported to have been killed in this incident. The ‘DNR’ People’s Militia posted images of the scene on its official Telegram channel. Pro-Kremlin media from Russian and separatist outlets, including the Russian daily newspaper Izvestiya and US blogger Patrick Lancaster, filmed the scene that morning. Their correspondents surveyed the two vehicles, as well as the point of detonation of the reported IED, claiming that the target of the attack was a ‘DNR’ military commander travelling in the van.

                      That morning, news reports of the incident appeared on the websites of Russia’s government newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta, RT’s Russian-language service and Gazeta.RU. The head of Russia’s Investigative Committee Alexander Bastrykin then ordered an official investigation into the event.


                      From those reports it’s possible to identify the exact location, as well as put together a rough sketch of the scene.

                      Casualty.png
                      The car, marked as Vehicle 1 above, appears to have borne the brunt of the blast from the apparent IED and contains the bodies of the three people who were reportedly killed.

                      Screenshot-2022-02-28-at-10.43.21.png
                      Various other details of this attack have been noted as suspicious by online observers — such as the lack of number plates on both vehicles or the fact that neither vehicle appeared to have moved from the point of detonation, suggesting they were both static when the IED detonated. These details are odd by themselves, but are not absolutely conclusive.

                      However, two particular details raise serious questions about the very fact of this attack: namely damage caused by the IED and the injuries inflicted on the alleged casualties.

                      Experts approached by Bellingcat cast doubt on whether the damage seen on the vehicle was consistent with an IED blast.

                      “This incident has been manufactured to give the impression it was a result of the detonation of an IED or off-road bomb’” said Chris Cobb-Smith, an explosive weapons expert and director of Chiron Resources.

                      He continued: “The damage on the left side of the car does not resemble fragmentation indentations from a blast, the puncture marks are too uniform and there is no evidence of buckling or indentation on the panels that would occur from a blast. The indentations visible look very much like bullet holes. If the car had been moving at the time of the blast it is doubtful that it would have come to an immediate stop, as appears here, momentum would have at least carried it on some metres and probably not in a straight line”.

                      Cobb-Smith also noted that the second vehicle did not appear to have suffered any fragmentation damage at all, given that its rear tyre was not punctured and the damaged window seemed to have been blown out in the wrong direction — towards the blast.

                      “In my opinion the images do not represent credible scenario, I believe the incident has been

                      manufactured to give the appearance of an IED blast in which three individuals died. I believe the vehicle was the subject of short-range small arms fire, it was not moving at the time and the victims were planted postmortem”, said Cobb-Smith.

                      Unusual Injuries


                      The injuries caused to the three alleged fatalities immediately aroused suspicion after graphic footage depicting their charred state emerged. In a detail first noticed by the Twitter account @glastnostgone and reported by the independent US media website Grid News, one of the bodies (Casualty A) appeared to have an unusual injury for a person impacted by an IED. These injuries included what appeared to be clear cuts on both sides of the head, cleanly separating the skull cap from the rest of the skull.

                      It was suggested by other open-source observers that these cuts were in fact consistent with a procedure carried out during an autopsy. Bellingcat approached a forensic pathologist to ascertain whether these cuts were consistent with an autopsy, or could have been caused by an IED.

                      Dr. Lawrence Owens Research Fellow at the University of Winchester replied, noting that the cuts were clearly from an autopsy procedure, and that, given the context, Casualty A in Vehicle 1 would have been dead before the explosion.

                      According to Dr. Owens, the colouring of the cut edges on the skull of Casualty A suggest that the cut was already present when the body was burned; furthermore, the warping and splitting brought about by heat exposure does not match across the cutline.

                      “The burning event seems to have been rather intense, yet this is not matched in the damage to the car. The remarkably neat placing of the body in the seat is also somewhat striking, as is the total lack of damage to the car’s interior even relatively close to the body”, he added.

                      He also examined the bodies visible in the rear seat, stating that “the remains are badly yet irregularly burned, with blackening and twisting in some areas and calcination elsewhere. The skull appears to be that of an adult male but the remains are partially obscured by soft tissue remnants.”

                      “Most striking is the line of truncated ribs – while one might expect damage to the thorax, the neatness and linearity of these cuts suggests that they were in fact cut using surgical shears, for the purpose of opening the thoracic cavity as part of a post mortem.”

                      “One would thus conclude that this is another case of exploiting human cadavers in order to fraudulently engineer a ‘crime scene’, with obvious implications for the swaying of public opinion and thus justification for the military action that is currently underway.”

                      Dr Owens’ conclusion that both visible bodies were already deceased before being placed in Vehicle 1 was consistent with those of another forensic pathologist Bellingcat spoke to but who wished to remain anonymous.

                      At Bellingcat we have been keeping track of some of the disinformation used by the Russian state and its proxies to justify its war against Ukraine. However, no other event has gone quite so far as this one, namely using bodies to try and fake an IED attack. This is a bitter irony considering the Russian state has levelled this very same accusation, with absolutely no evidence, at Syrian victims of chemical attacks.

                      Yeah..... looking like that's the direction they're headed.

                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Looks like Putin is determined to drag the US into the fight one way or another. I think he wants WW3.
                      That or the ability to scapegoat his atrocities for propaganda purposes.
                      "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus. So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
                      - Pfizer Scientist Chris Croce

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                        The thing is, if you believe there are dangerous bioweapon labs near you, you don't go around indiscriminately bombing entire cities, and you sure don't bomb a biolab because you could accidentally release the viruses or chemicals that you are so worried about. What you do is expose the labs to the UN and demand they be removed. If they don't, then if you decide to invade, you do a surgical strike and capture the labs safely, again, not bombing them.
                        Perhaps they do know where they exist and are not bombing them - but what we do know is that they do exist...
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seer View Post

                          Perhaps they do know where they exist and are not bombing them - but what we do know is that they do exist...
                          It is kind of difficult to believe they wouldn't have biolabs, along with everyone else. (yes, it's a sweeping generalisation)

                          The existence of biolabs doesn't indicate nefarious intent.
                          1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                          Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                          .
                          "It is not divine truth that makes the man seem more innocent in what is equally sinful, but human wrong-headedness." AUGUSTINE: re adultery

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            Here is an interesting story from 2018, saying Russia has been using propaganda against such labs for quite a while now (this one is about a lab in Georgia (the country)) and says one of the functions it is to secure pathogens from Soviet era weapons which were formerly housed in failing Soviet labs that were failing, and the even the Russians have such labs themselves.

                            https://www.codastory.com/disinforma...sias-doorstep/
                            Glad the distinction was made since roguetech biolabs are not ... er... um, never mind.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                              It is kind of difficult to believe they wouldn't have biolabs, along with everyone else. (yes, it's a sweeping generalisation)

                              The existence of biolabs doesn't indicate nefarious intent.
                              Yeah, it's hard to imagine more than a few (including a number of Third World nations) that don't have something that would fit the definition.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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