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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
About $10 or so billion is cash aid. That's a nice chunk for a corrupt official. I believe Hamid Karzai ran off with mere millions, or as much as he could carry on his person.
I don't see the problem with providing various forms of aid (even some cash aid), given the promises we made to Ukraine and what is being done to them by Russia.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
So less than a third, if we take you at your Russian word.
I don't see the problem with providing various forms of aid (even some cash aid), given the promises we made to Ukraine and what is being done to them by Russia.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
So less than a third, if we take you at your Russian word.
I don't see the problem with providing various forms of aid (even some cash aid), given the promises we made to Ukraine and what is being done to them by Russia.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Material goods like food, clothing, medical supplies, and construction materials would have a much better chance of actually helping the people than no-strings cash handed to corrupt politicians.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
We already have been, Vlad's personal proctologist.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
Another evidenceless claim using that number by one of Putin's drones on the forum. (hint: that makes it less believable).
At any rate, Zelinsky has asked for cash specifically to pay for his politicians' salaries and pensions, and Treasury Secretary Yellen says she is prepared to ask Congress to start funding Ukraine's government.
"The needs of Ukraine are urgent, and we plan to deploy this direct aid to Ukraine as soon as possible to be used on most urgent needs," Yellen said.
"We know this is only the beginning of what Ukraine will need to rebuild. And I'm committed to working with Congress and with our international allies and partners to build on this support in the medium and long term."
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...campaign=cppst
"Direct aid" means cash. I'm curious if the plan is to deliver it on pallets to an airport in the dead of night. That seems to be the preferred method of paying off foreign governments.
I keep trying to tell you, man, there are no good guys in this fight.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Sorry, but you're the one who apparently knows where to find Russian propaganda. I honestly wouldn't even know where to begin looking for that sort of thing.
At any rate, Zelinsky has asked for cash specifically to pay for his politicians' salaries and pensions, and Treasury Secretary Yellen says she is prepared to ask Congress to start funding Ukraine's government.
"The needs of Ukraine are urgent, and we plan to deploy this direct aid to Ukraine as soon as possible to be used on most urgent needs," Yellen said.
"We know this is only the beginning of what Ukraine will need to rebuild. And I'm committed to working with Congress and with our international allies and partners to build on this support in the medium and long term."
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...campaign=cppst
"Direct aid" means cash. I'm curious if the plan is to deliver it on pallets to an airport in the dead of night. That seems to be the preferred method of paying off foreign governments.
I keep trying to tell you, man, there are no good guys in this fight.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostYes how dare we send aid to a country Russia is trying to massacre (who have held off over a month of Russian advances).
A country foolish enough to believe our promises we agreed to in order for them to give up their nuclear weapons.
Hilarious, right, anyone believing US agreements or promises, expecting us to keep to our word? Thats what little Kremlinites like you want, isnt it?
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostUnfortunately, the U.S. already has a long history of abandoning friends and allies to their fates (particularly during Democrat Administrations). Say what you will about the Russians but they will never kick an ally to the curb.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
True, though we've gotten worse wrt not keeping our word in recent years - and it's not been solely one party - including under Trump (the Iran agreement, the Paris agreement whether you agreed with entering it or not, Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, Trans-Pacific Partnership, etc..)
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostUnfortunately, the U.S. already has a long history of abandoning friends and allies to their fates (particularly during Democrat Administrations). Say what you will about the Russians but they will never kick an ally to the curb.
For one, Putin has been running the show there for 23 years. Unlike proper democracies where administrations change with significantly different goals, Russia has remained static. Also, Russia's allies are far fewer, and therefore far more valuable. Belarus, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and Syria all offer advantages to Russia that it can't get anywhere else (hmmm, can we count all of Russia's allies on one hand?).
IMO, some of the US abandoned "allies" in the past have been despots that never should have been allies to begin with.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
Interesting. You got me trying to think of a case where Russia abandoned an ally. I can't think of any, but its situation is quite a bit different than the US.
For one, Putin has been running the show there for 23 years. Unlike proper democracies where administrations change with significantly different goals, Russia has remained static. Also, Russia's allies are far fewer, and therefore far more valuable. Belarus, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and Syria all offer advantages to Russia that it can't get anywhere else (hmmm, can we count all of Russia's allies on one hand?).
IMO, some of the US abandoned "allies" in the past have been despots that never should have been allies to begin with.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYeah, many were shady characters to say the least but if I was the leader of a foreign country I wouldn't trust America to have my back when I needed help.
The US should also be careful about the many one-sided relationships it fosters, creating allies through financing because of short-term goals. Solid allies are the ones that offer something substantial and timeless in return.
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