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NYT Video: Liberal Hypocrisy is Fueling American Inequality

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  • #16
    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    Does the policy paper actually claim that the liberals intend to produce the conditions approved in the paper?
    If it's "these are the policies we support", but don't actually do them, that seems like a lie. I mean if you say you support ending the death penalty, but deliberately put more people to death, that would show your words about supporting ending the policy are a lie.

    At the end of the day, this looks at how democrats, in democrat run states, run their states when they have the power, which is in opposition to what they claim they want.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post

      The discrepancy is because progressives are a party minority. The Democratic majority generally wants to maintain the status quo, not make sweeping healthcare reforms.
      You could have fooled me. So you are saying that the Democratic Party platform doesn't want Healthcare reform or to end poverty and help the poor and homeless? That's only the "progressives?"


      Affordable housing and healthcare are the first to sections in the Democratic Party platform.

      Last edited by Sparko; 01-31-2022, 02:14 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

        You could have fooled me. So you are saying that the Democratic Party platform doesn't want Healthcare reform or to end poverty and help the poor and homeless? That's only the "progressives?"


        Affordable housing and healthcare are the first to sections in the Democratic Party platform.

        It doesn't matter what the platform says, what matters is what the Democrats do. It's easy to support a vague concept like "ending poverty", but when progressives introduce income equality measures, the party majority turn tail and run.
        Last edited by Sparko; 01-31-2022, 02:14 PM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post

          It doesn't matter what the platform says, what matters is what the Democrats do. It's easy to support a vague concept like "ending poverty", but when progressives introduce income equality measures, the party majority turn tail and run.
          From the NYT a couple of months ago:

          From Cradle to Grave, Democrats Move to Expand Social Safety Net


          The $3.5 trillion social policy bill that lawmakers begin drafting this week would touch virtually every American, at every point in life, from conception to old age.


          Every single Democrat voted for it except Manchin. So I guess that means that the progressives in Congress constitute every Democrat but one.


          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            From the NYT a couple of months ago:

            From Cradle to Grave, Democrats Move to Expand Social Safety Net


            The $3.5 trillion social policy bill that lawmakers begin drafting this week would touch virtually every American, at every point in life, from conception to old age.


            Every single Democrat voted for it except Manchin. So I guess that means that the progressives in Congress constitute every Democrat but one.
            I'm talking about universal healthcare, UBI, or other significant changes. Build Back Better falls in line with the relatively small, incremental changes that the Democrats are comfortable with. I think the universal pre-k is probably the most related item in the bill.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post


              Interesting video about how States under full democrat control, still don't actually put forward the democrat vision that they claim to have.
              Yep. Just look at the push by Dems in recent years for 'infrastructure infrastructure infrastructure'. Yet Dem states and cities have some of the worst infrastructure around.

              Just this week in Pittsburgh (full Dem city council, haven't had a Republican mayor for ~90 years) we saw a big bridge collapse that thankfully didn't kill anyone. It collapsed mere hours before Biden was set to come to the city and talk about his infrastructure bill. And the hilarious part is, the bridge (rated as poor condition before the collapse) wasn't even in the bill or set to receive any money from the bill for upkeep.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                I'm talking about universal healthcare, UBI, or other significant changes. Build Back Better falls in line with the relatively small, incremental changes that the Democrats are comfortable with. I think the universal pre-k is probably the most related item in the bill.
                Given that we are now experiencing the results of such massive spending policies already in place (inflation that will keep rising for the foreseeable future) I think what you term "relatively small, incremental changes" is probably very different from what the overwhelming majority of Americans would call it.

                At the end of the year there's going to be what will essentially be a referendum on the left's policies[1] -- and even liberals are saying it doesn't look good.


                1. barring any "crisis"

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post

                  It doesn't matter what the platform says, what matters is what the Democrats do. It's easy to support a vague concept like "ending poverty", but when progressives introduce income equality measures, the party majority turn tail and run.
                  That is basically what the OP is saying. That the democrats are hypocrites: they claim to be for various things like low cost housing and healthcare, but "not in my back yard!"


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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                    That is basically what the OP is saying. That the democrats are hypocrites: they claim to be for various things like low cost housing and healthcare, but "not in my back yard!"
                    All true. It's a good video, though it wouldn't surprise progressives paying attention as they'll be familiar with the frustration.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      Given that we are now experiencing the results of such massive spending policies already in place (inflation that will keep rising for the foreseeable future) I think what you term "relatively small, incremental changes" is probably very different from what the overwhelming majority of Americans would call it.

                      At the end of the year there's going to be what will essentially be a referendum on the left's policies[1] -- and even liberals are saying it doesn't look good.

                      1. barring any "crisis"
                      Certainly small and incremental in regards to social progress but not spending and restructuring. Democrats need either a villain or a champion to win elections and right now they have neither. Their fault for not pursuing more bipartisan or populist achievements.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post

                        It doesn't matter what the platform says, what matters is what the Democrats do. It's easy to support a vague concept like "ending poverty", but when progressives introduce income equality measures, the party majority turn tail and run.
                        Also when you've got a Democrat senator blocking a Bill. Joe Manchin does not strike me as overly liberal in his politics.

                        The Democrat Party in the USA is not a democratic socialist party, despite the fact that it has some social democrats in its ranks.

                        A close parallel in another Anglophone country would be what the Brits used to call "wet" Conservatives i.e. those in the Conservative Party that leaned very slightly towards some more liberal policies.
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          Also when you've got a Democrat senator blocking a Bill. Joe Manchin does not strike me as overly liberal in his politics.

                          The Democrat Party in the USA is not a democratic socialist party, despite the fact that it has some social democrats in its ranks.

                          A close parallel in another Anglophone country would be what the Brits used to call "wet" Conservatives i.e. those in the Conservative Party that leaned very slightly towards some more liberal policies.
                          The problem is we are talking about states with essentially 1 party rule, not the senate with a 50 40 split.

                          It might help if you actually watch the video.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                            The problem is we are talking about states with essentially 1 party rule, not the senate with a 50 40 split.

                            It might help if you actually watch the video.
                            I did - in fact I have watched it in the past.

                            This is NIMBYism from those who profess liberal values but do not want to go too far... if they perceive it may adversely affect them and/or their property's value.

                            Nor are such attitudes among various professed "liberal voters" unique to the USA.
                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                              I did - in fact I have watched it in the past.

                              This is NIMBYism from those who profess liberal values but do not want to go too far... if they perceive it may adversely affect them and/or their property's value.
                              Which is at odds with what they claim they want. I.E. Their platform is a lie. When you look at states with 1-party rule, especially those with 1-party rule for decades. You don't see them enacting what they claim to believe in.

                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                              Nor are such attitudes among various professed "liberal voters" unique to the USA.
                              Which is a strawman. Nobody claimed it was unique. What's pointed out is that they are hypocrites, that when they have free rein to enact their priorities, they choose not to, or worse, do the exact opposite.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                                Which is at odds with what they claim they want. I.E. Their platform is a lie. When you look at states with 1-party rule, especially those with 1-party rule for decades. You don't see them enacting what they claim to believe in.
                                As the video pointed out some benefits have accrued.


                                Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                                Which is a strawman. Nobody claimed it was unique. What's pointed out is that they are hypocrites, that when they have free rein to enact their priorities, they choose not to, or worse, do the exact opposite.
                                It simply pointed out aspects of human nature.

                                "It ain't necessarily so
                                The things that you're liable
                                To read in the Bible
                                It ain't necessarily so
                                ."

                                Sportin' Life
                                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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