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  • Should protest organizers be required to carry insurance?

    Given the billions of damage from the BLM protests that devolved into riots, the damage to the capitol from the Jan 6th protest that devolved into a riot, should protest organizers be required to carry insurance?

    The insurance would be used to pay off property damage, and injuries suffered by the city/businesses/populace from protesters or rioters. If a protest organizer cannot afford, or refuses to purchase the insurance, they will be denied a permit, and not be allowed to protest.

    What are your thoughts?

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    It is not at all unusual in some municipalities that protesters get a "permit" for their protest, and pay a fee. I, personally, have had to sign a "guarantee of conduct" when we do our National Day of Prayer at the courthouse.

    The "permit" is so that the city/county will know if they need to block off streets, provide trash receptacles, provide security, etc...

    Naturally, the National Day of Prayer is a very well behaved event, but if there had been trouble, MY name was on the dotted line.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      It is not at all unusual in some municipalities that protesters get a "permit" for their protest, and pay a fee. I, personally, have had to sign a "guarantee of conduct" when we do our National Day of Prayer at the courthouse.

      The "permit" is so that the city/county will know if they need to block off streets, provide trash receptacles, provide security, etc...

      Naturally, the National Day of Prayer is a very well behaved event, but if there had been trouble, MY name was on the dotted line.
      Yes. But I'm proposing insurance be paid, or the protest be declared illegal and not be allowed.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

        Yes. But I'm proposing insurance be paid, or the protest be declared illegal and not be allowed.
        I don't imagine any of us can actually see BLM asking for and signing a contract for a "mostly peaceful demonstration".

        These "riots" are supposedly "spontaneous" and not "organized events", yes? (or so they would claim)
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          I don't imagine any of us can actually see BLM asking for and signing a contract for a "mostly peaceful demonstration".

          These "riots" are supposedly "spontaneous" and not "organized events", yes? (or so they would claim)
          Well then, no organizer, no insurance, clear the streets, it's illegal to protest.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

            Well then, no organizer, no insurance, clear the streets, it's illegal to protest.
            AGREED! But, that amounts to riot control, which the politicians of liberal states and cities seem incapable of directing.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

              Yes. But I'm proposing insurance be paid, or the protest be declared illegal and not be allowed.
              Strong disagree, that's a flagrant violation of the 1st amendment (as is this 'required permit' thing that has become popular in recent years).
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              • #8
                No insurance company would be stupid enough to insure a group like BLM after last years riots.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  No insurance company would be stupid enough to insure a group like BLM after last years riots.
                  Ain't THAT the pure and simple!
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    Ain't THAT the pure and simple!
                    Absolutely true. Their protests and the ensuing riots, even if mostly peaceful, resulted in billions of dollars in damage. An insurance company would go bankrupt, or their fee would be so high that BLM would would essentially be out of the protest business.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                      Given the billions of damage from the BLM protests that devolved into riots, the damage to the capitol from the Jan 6th protest that devolved into a riot, should protest organizers be required to carry insurance?

                      The insurance would be used to pay off property damage, and injuries suffered by the city/businesses/populace from protesters or rioters. If a protest organizer cannot afford, or refuses to purchase the insurance, they will be denied a permit, and not be allowed to protest.

                      What are your thoughts?
                      Interesting question and it brings up how those holding a Tea Party protest were often required to pay a deposit (for any needed clean-up afterwards), whereas some of the same folks didn't ask for any deposits from the Occupiers when they protested.

                      And the Tea Party protestors typically left the area cleaner when they arrived whereas the Occupiers left trash of every sort all over the place (and many of the same folks in the latter want to be in charge of cleaning up the planet ).

                      I figure that such a provision would be selectively enforced and used solely to try to hamper those that the local politicians don't like.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Interesting question and it brings up how those holding a Tea Party protest were often required to pay a deposit (for any needed clean-up afterwards), whereas some of the same folks didn't ask for any deposits from the Occupiers when they protested.

                        And the Tea Party protestors typically left the area cleaner when they arrived whereas the Occupiers left trash of every sort all over the place (and many of the same folks in the latter want to be in charge of cleaning up the planet ).

                        I figure that such a provision would be selectively enforced and used solely to try to hamper those that the local politicians don't like.
                        Perhaps, but if that's the case, selective enforcement should be sued. If the city didn't require the insurance, and property damage happens, the city becomes liable.

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                        • #13
                          OK, I think we need to recognize a truth... what BLM does is not really "protest". It's riot.

                          There's a huge difference between a peaceful protest, where somebody would apply for a permit because they want to play nice with the parks and recreation people, and make sure there's electricity and trash receptacles...

                          .... and those who show up in the night ready for war.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            OK, I think we need to recognize a truth... what BLM does is not really "protest". It's riot.

                            There's a huge difference between a peaceful protest, where somebody would apply for a permit because they want to play nice with the parks and recreation people, and make sure there's electricity and trash receptacles...

                            .... and those who show up in the night ready for war.
                            We've seen enough protests erupt into violence over the past 4+ years to recognize that there is an inherent risk in the protest.

                            Do you think whag, Juvenal, oxmixmudd, Hypatia_Alexandria, Stoic or others will chime in. They seem to be silent here.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                              Given the billions of damage from the BLM protests that devolved into riots, the damage to the capitol from the Jan 6th protest that devolved into a riot, should protest organizers be required to carry insurance?

                              The insurance would be used to pay off property damage, and injuries suffered by the city/businesses/populace from protesters or rioters. If a protest organizer cannot afford, or refuses to purchase the insurance, they will be denied a permit, and not be allowed to protest.

                              What are your thoughts?
                              Do you have any insurance companies in mind that would consider insuring people who were intent on taking part in demonstrations and/or protests, given all the potential risks that attend such events?
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

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