Announcement

Collapse

Civics 101 Guidelines

Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!

Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less

More Evidence that Democrats Are Totalitarian

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #46
    Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

    I don't know anyone asking when we "get to" take up arms. I'm sure they exist, but not in my circle. I know many, including myself, who wonder how soon we will "need to" take up arms, or else try to flee and hide.
    It is getting close when the state starts going after our children. Like in the poll where 30% of Dems think children should be removed from homes with unvaxed parents.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

    Comment


    • #47
      Originally posted by seanD View Post
      It doesn't matter that there were opposing viewpoints. The fact is that the eugenics movement stemmed from and was endorsed by the scientific community, Darwinists, which was the very foundation of the eugenics movement in Germany, thus making Ox's strained correlation of modern conservatism and 20th century nazism kind of laughable. And it misses the almost eerie correlation with the leftist scientific authoritarian ghouls with the same ambitions of today.
      You equate "Darwinists" with the scientific community, which is erroneous in the extreme, but even if it wasn't, like I said they all accepted heliocentrism and Germ Theory too. I guess we should blame them as well.

      And again, Darwin and the ToE were not exactly welcome in Germany especially after the Nazi's took over. Instead, they were beholden to Houston Stewart Chamberlain's[1] Die Grundlagen des neunzehnten Jahrhunderts ("The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century"), published in 1899, which promoted several racial supremacist and especially völkisch antisemitic theories on how he saw the Aryan race as superior to others, became a principle reference for Nazi racial policy. It was heavily influenced by the writings of Arthur de Gobineau who had argued the superiority of the "Aryan race" in his book "An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races" (1853–1855)

      Chamberlain completely rejected Darwin's theory of evolution which he regarded as as, "a manifestly unsound system" largely because Darwinian evolution proclaimed that species were perpetually transforming themselves which for Chamberlain and the Nazis, made it the most abominable and misguided doctrine of his time. Chamberlain declared that it was a "craze [that] works such mischief" and a "belated straggler of Romanticism and Hegelism in alliance with flat English utilitarianism, and that a hundred years will not have passed before it will be judged as men today judge alchemy" and called for the "energetic shaking off of this 'English sickness.'" He emphatically decried “the evolution mania and the pseudo-scientific dogmatism of our century” and “the frenzy produced by the dogma of evolution, which has led to such confusion of thought in the 19th Century."

      In his 1905 work “Immanuel Kant. Die Persönlichkeit als Einführung in das Werk” ("Immanuel Kant. The personality as an introduction to the work") he attacked evolutionary theory repeatedly stating that “A characteristic symptom of our modern intellectual disease is the increasing tendency to relegate things to ever remoter and remoter origins. Thus, for instance, man was said to be descended from the ape; the anatomical impossibility of this is established to-day by a thousand reasons” and “the nonsensical dogmas of the theorisers on natural selection and descent may once and for all be rejected.”






      1. Chamberlain joined the Nazi Party and contributed to many of its publications. Chamberlain's depiction of a struggle between Gestalt or order-bearing Teutons and the chaos-sowing Jews and half-breeds served as a source for some of the key imagery used by Hitler in his "Mein Kampf."

      Early in his political career Hitler, along with Joseph Goebbels, visited Chamberlain twice before the latter's death, in 1923 and 1926. The official newspaper of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis), the*Völkischer Beobachter ("Völkisch Observer") would dedicate five columns to praising him on his 70th birthday, describing "The Foundations" as the "gospel of the Nazi movement." Hitler attended Chamberlain's funeral in January 1927 along with several highly ranked members of the Nazi party.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

      Comment


      • #48
        Originally posted by seanD View Post

        Putting aside your "insurrection" nonsense that you repeat ad nauseam (it wasn't an insurrection; it was a riot), let's assume it was an insurrection attempt. It accomplished absolutely nothing other than the state powers coming down on those that engaged in it. So your fear is based on paranoia and delusion. Like I said, the populist right has NO backing of the state whatsoever. They have little to no power. Every major corporate and government institution that supports the Dems is against it. Furthermore, the populist right is not calling for the rounding up of their political enemies even if they did have that power, which they don't.
        Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

        forcefully, violently trying to stop the lawful certification of the election was, in fact a violent uprising against an authority or government

        Further, asking that the unvaccinated be limited in their capacity to spread disease is not even remotely the same as rounding up political enemies.
        Last edited by oxmixmudd; 01-18-2022, 10:55 AM.
        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

        Comment


        • #49
          Originally posted by seer View Post

          That is nonsense Jim, if my side was going to pick up arms I suspect it would have been done by now. Though if the leftists keep on this path of totalitarianism it may still happen.
          I guess you missed the gop rally where the fellow called out asking "when do we get to take up arms!"
          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

          Comment


          • #50
            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

            I agree that is not good. But there are also those on the right asking when they get to take up arms against those they disagree with.

            The greater danger, by far, is the current GOP and the culture of personality it has become. The world is not black and white, only good and only evil. But when a force as destructive as what the current GOP is appears, it is time for those who disagree on lesser things to put down the lesser grievances and join together to make things right, to stop that which is a threat to everyone.

            So, how much authoritarian tactics are you willing to tolerate if it means getting rid of the troublesome GOP?

            How many "not good" things will you accept, so long as it stops the "greater threat", and do you think that you can fix it after the fact?

            Comment


            • #51
              Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

              I guess you missed the gop rally where the fellow called out asking "when do we get to take up arms!"
              Have we done it yet? And who has been more violent in the last couple of years? The left or right. It is not even close Jim.
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

              Comment


              • #52
                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                ...asking that the unvaccinated be limited in their capacity to spread disease is not even remotely the same as rounding up political enemies.
                Let's be clear on this point:

                Are you saying that the policies proposed in the opening post are an acceptable course of action for stopping the China flu? Which ones do you agree with? Which do you think go too far? And which do you think don't go far enough?

                You've danced around this long enough. Let's have direct answers.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

                Comment


                • #53
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                  Let's be clear on this point:

                  Are you saying that the policies proposed in the opening post are an acceptable course of action for stopping the China flu? Which ones do you agree with? Which do you think go too far? And which do you think don't go far enough?

                  You've danced around this long enough. Let's have direct answers.
                  I think all three of the requirements in the op are absurd.

                  I think access to indoor public spaces during times of high transmission should be restricted to the vaccinated, masking perhaps could be an alternative but only with an n95 during high transmission wrt omicron. (If scientifically surgical type masks can be helpful with omicrom, then back the minimum down to surgical)

                  I think workplace vaccine mandates should be enacted if the workplace is indoors.

                  I think it makes sense to develop a scientifically accurate equivalence criteria for those that have already had covid. (e.g. previous infection + booster)

                  I think that if sufficient vaccination rates can be achieved for those that can be vaccinated or the equivalent, exceptions for those that can't be vaccinated should be safe (herd immunity) - possibly, again, needing modification during times of high transmission.

                  This assumes no significant change in mortality or transmissability.
                  Last edited by oxmixmudd; 01-18-2022, 12:17 PM.
                  My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                  If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                  This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

                  Comment


                  • #54
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    You equate "Darwinists" with the scientific community, which is erroneous in the extreme, but even if it wasn't, like I said they all accepted heliocentrism and Germ Theory too. I guess we should blame them as well.

                    And again, Darwin and the ToE were not exactly welcome in Germany especially after the Nazi's took over. Instead, they were beholden to Houston Stewart Chamberlain's[1]Die Grundlagen des neunzehnten Jahrhunderts ("The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century"), published in 1899, which promoted several racial supremacist and especially völkisch antisemitic theories on how he saw the Aryan race as superior to others, became a principle reference for Nazi racial policy. It was heavily influenced by the writings of Arthur de Gobineau who had argued the superiority of the "Aryan race" in his book "An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races" (1853–1855)

                    Chamberlain completely rejected Darwin's theory of evolution which he regarded as as, "a manifestly unsound system" largely because Darwinian evolution proclaimed that species were perpetually transforming themselves which for Chamberlain and the Nazis, made it the most abominable and misguided doctrine of his time. Chamberlain declared that it was a "craze [that] works such mischief" and a "belated straggler of Romanticism and Hegelism in alliance with flat English utilitarianism, and that a hundred years will not have passed before it will be judged as men today judge alchemy" and called for the "energetic shaking off of this 'English sickness.'" He emphatically decried “the evolution mania and the pseudo-scientific dogmatism of our century” and “the frenzy produced by the dogma of evolution, which has led to such confusion of thought in the 19th Century."

                    In his 1905 work “Immanuel Kant. Die Persönlichkeit als Einführung in das Werk” ("Immanuel Kant. The personality as an introduction to the work") he attacked evolutionary theory repeatedly stating that “A characteristic symptom of our modern intellectual disease is the increasing tendency to relegate things to ever remoter and remoter origins. Thus, for instance, man was said to be descended from the ape; the anatomical impossibility of this is established to-day by a thousand reasons” and “the nonsensical dogmas of the theorisers on natural selection and descent may once and for all be rejected.”






                    1. Chamberlain joined the Nazi Party and contributed to many of its publications. Chamberlain's depiction of a struggle between Gestalt or order-bearing Teutons and the chaos-sowing Jews and half-breeds served as a source for some of the key imagery used by Hitler in his "Mein Kampf."

                    Early in his political career Hitler, along with Joseph Goebbels, visited Chamberlain twice before the latter's death, in 1923 and 1926. The official newspaper of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis), the*Völkischer Beobachter ("Völkisch Observer") would dedicate five columns to praising him on his 70th birthday, describing "The Foundations" as the "gospel of the Nazi movement." Hitler attended Chamberlain's funeral in January 1927 along with several highly ranked members of the Nazi party.
                    Whatever, rogue. I never even brought up the subject of ToE anywhere in this thread, once. And since the thread is already derailed enough as it is, I'll leave it at that. But I'm curious why you keep bringing up heliocentrism? Is that your subtle way of trying to bring the church into this?

                    Comment


                    • #55
                      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                      Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

                      forcefully, violently trying to stop the lawful certification of the election was, in fact a violent uprising against an authority or government.
                      If that's the case, then what we saw from the left was a year of insurrection. It wasn't an insurrection. Had it been an insurrection, the rioters would have been armed. It so happens that the only person inside killed was a rioter because they weren't armed.

                      Further, asking that the unvaccinated be limited in their capacity to spread disease is not even remotely the same as rounding up political enemies


                      Again from the OP...

                      Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications. Only 27% of all voters – including just 14% of Republicans and 18% of unaffiliated voters – favor criminal punishment of vaccine critics.

                      – Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

                      Comment


                      • #56
                        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                        Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

                        forcefully, violently trying to stop the lawful certification of the election was, in fact a violent uprising against an authority or government.
                        By that definition, BLM was participating in a year or more of insurrection in 2020-2021. Including multiple secession attempts.

                        Comment


                        • #57
                          Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                          I guess you missed the gop rally where the fellow called out asking "when do we get to take up arms!"
                          Should we also go through a list of really dopey things some Democrats - both public officials and media personalities - have said?

                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

                          Comment


                          • #58
                            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                            Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government....
                            Baltimore, Philadelphia, Seattle, DC, Portland, Occupy [ whatever ], attempting to burn down Federal buildings, taking over a police station by force...

                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

                            Comment


                            • #59
                              Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                              I think all three of the requirements in the op are absurd.

                              I think access to indoor public spaces during times of high transmission should be restricted to the vaccinated, masking perhaps could be an alternative but only with an n95 during high transmission wrt omicron. (If scientifically surgical type masks can be helpful with omicrom, then back the minimum down to surgical)

                              I think workplace vaccine mandates should be enacted if the workplace is indoors.

                              I think it makes sense to develop a scientifically accurate equivalence criteria for those that have already had covid. (e.g. previous infection + booster)

                              I think that if sufficient vaccination rates can be achieved for those that can be vaccinated or the equivalent, exceptions for those that can't be vaccinated should be safe (herd immunity) - possibly, again, needing modification during times of high transmission.

                              This assumes no significant change in mortality or transmissability.
                              This is what I'm taking away from your remarks:

                              You're okay with the government's boot on the necks of the unvaccinated as long as the pressure is kept below a level you're comfortable with, that comfort level being dependent on how much fear you feel at any given moment. The more fearful you are, the more pressure you are willing to tolerate.
                              ​​​​​​I wish I could say I was surprised.​​​​​​
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

                              Comment


                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                                This is what I'm taking away from your remarks:

                                You're okay with the government's boot on the necks of the unvaccinated as long as the pressure is kept below a level you're comfortable with, that comfort level being dependent on how much fear you feel at any given moment. The more fearful you are, the more pressure you are willing to tolerate.
                                ​​​​​​I wish I could say I was surprised.​​​​​​
                                Even if that is true (which i don't believe it is ) it would not change the fact jan 6 was an insurrection.
                                My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                                If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                                This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

                                Comment

                                Related Threads

                                Collapse

                                Topics Statistics Last Post
                                Started by little_monkey, Yesterday, 04:19 PM
                                16 responses
                                88 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post Mountain Man  
                                Started by whag, 03-26-2024, 04:38 PM
                                53 responses
                                282 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post Mountain Man  
                                Started by rogue06, 03-26-2024, 11:45 AM
                                25 responses
                                109 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post rogue06
                                by rogue06
                                 
                                Started by Hypatia_Alexandria, 03-26-2024, 09:21 AM
                                33 responses
                                195 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post Roy
                                by Roy
                                 
                                Started by Hypatia_Alexandria, 03-26-2024, 08:34 AM
                                84 responses
                                356 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post JimL
                                by JimL
                                 
                                Working...
                                X