Socialism good or bad and why?

[Dave L]

You mean when you die? That's different; that's not living under a communistic system.

If you are always giving things away that have moderate to high value, you will end up in the poorhouse. And then others will have to take care of you, using up resources that should be going to the true needy.

I posted above how the pilgrim Bradford colony tried a Christian "communism" and how it was a complete failure.

Christians are Americanised and materialistic today. I make Christian ethics work the best I can without having a single church in my area that follows Christ.

[Cow Poke]

You don't follow Jesus nor understand Him.

Exactly what one would expect from a self-righteous Pharisee. Thanks for confirming that yet again.

[Dave L]

Exactly what one would expect from a self-righteous Pharisee. Thanks for confirming that yet again.

Do you live the Sermon on the Mount as a career? You are not following him unless you do. I have a successful life in doing so.

[Ronson]

You don't follow Jesus nor understand Him. Make fun all you want. I'm the one who is blessed here.

Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”

(emphasis mine)

So much for communism.

[Dave L]

Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”

(emphasis mine)

So much for communism.

You can do this if you become a disciple. Armchair churchgoers know nothing of this.

[Cow Poke]

Do you live the Sermon on the Mount as a career?

I don't belong to your cult, no, and I don't hyper-focus on one passage over the entire context of the New Testament. That's how heresies begin.

You are not following him unless you do.

I can see you standing in the tower thanking God that you're not like this other sinner.

I have a successful life in doing so.

No, Dave, you have a life of visiting visiting discussion boards to start fights with Christians, apparently hoping you get kicked out, so you can brag about "jewels in your crown".

The way you're racking up violations here, it won't be long before you'll be boasting - falsely - that you got kicked out because we're a bunch of cultists and we rejected your troo gospell.

[Dave L]

I don't belong to your cult, no, and I don't hyper-focus on one passage over the entire context of the New Testament. That's how heresies begin.



I can see you standing in the tower thanking God that you're not like this other sinner.



No, Dave, you have a life of visiting visiting discussion boards to start fights with Christians, apparently hoping you get kicked out, so you can brag about "jewels in your crown".

The way you're racking up violations here, it won't be long before you'll be boasting - falsely - that you got kicked out because we're a bunch of cultists and we rejected your troo gospell.

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[Cow Poke]

You are sinfully judging my motive.

Nope - I'm fruit inspecting.

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So, AGAIN, you're calling me a liar without substantiation. I believe you're TRYING to get booted so you can boast how 'speerchurl' you are.

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OK, now you're sounding like another nut who was so psychotic that he actually began suing people. I'm entitled to my opinion, Dave, and it's my opinion that you are some kind of cultist.

[Dave L]

Nope - I'm fruit inspecting.



So, AGAIN, you're calling me a liar without substantiation. I believe you're TRYING to get booted so you can boast how 'speerchurl' you are.



OK, now you're sounding like another nut who was so psychotic that he actually began suing people. I'm entitled to my opinion, Dave, and it's my opinion that you are some kind of cultist.

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[Cow Poke]

I don't sue anyone. • Edited by a Moderator •

And, yet ANOTHER accusation of lying without substantiation in violation of the rules.

[Alien]

In the Christian community, we are supposed to take care of one another. We haven't done such a good job of that, so the government stepped in. I have never begrudged our government helping those less fortunate - I just wish they didn't do it in such an incredibly wasteful manner.

Been meaning to respond to this.

Some things are just better done by government. Should everyone build their own road? I include healthcare because it costs so much that few people can afford treatment without some kind of insurance. Last year. my medical bills without insurance would have totaled over $100,000, and that for three relatively minor surgeries and attendant stuff. I paid around $2500 out of pocket. I include "charity" here because individual charity, though admirable, doesn't, as you suggest, work well. One problem occurs when hard times hit most of us at the same time. That's when the poor need it most but givers are least able, or inclined, to donate. Another is that everyone gives according to their own judgment of need and (worse) who deserves the charity.

[Cerebrum123]

I do believe we determined it doesn't work with a nonhuman in charge either
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So what we need is a robot in charge.

[Gondwanaland]

So what we need is a robot in charge.

Only if it's Bender.

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[RumTumTugger]

Denmark may be a good example of a successful socialist-run country? (Not sure of the exact correct terminology in this sentence).

Esther here is what a citizen of Denmark has to say that.

[Cow Poke]

Been meaning to respond to this.

Some things are just better done by government.

First of all, thanks so much for always (so far) being calm and reasonable, and actually contributing to discussions.
Secondly, I would revise your statement by adding something like "too bad they do it so inefficiently".

But, yeah, I agree, major infrastructure, defending our shores, immigration (another thing at which they fail miserably)...

Should everyone build their own road?

Obviously not.

I include healthcare because it costs so much that few people can afford treatment without some kind of insurance. Last year. my medical bills without insurance would have totaled over $100,000, and that for three relatively minor surgeries and attendant stuff. I paid around $2500 out of pocket.

Yup - my wife works at Texas A&M -- the pay isn't great, but the benefits (BCBS) are great. We often say "she works for insurance".

I include "charity" here because individual charity, though admirable, doesn't, as you suggest, work well.

It works GREAT in our community for basic needs, and Texas has fairly good care for people going to the ER for medical stuff, though that's still problematic. They'll go to the ER instead of getting health insurance, because they know they can.

One problem occurs when hard times hit most of us at the same time. That's when the poor need it most but givers are least able, or inclined, to donate. Another is that everyone gives according to their own judgment of need and (worse) who deserves the charity.

Agreed -- which is why I always say I never fight paying the taxes assessed me, because of the very things you mention.

My biggest problem is how badly our government can mess up a simple process, either with arrogant stupidity, personal greed, rewarding others for financial contributions, awarding big contracts to relatives or supporters.....

I wish there were a way that government could be forced to "play right" in this one area -- healthcare. They're gonna play politics with everything else, and line their own pockets, and reward friends --- this is ONE AREA where they should be held to a much higher standard.