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    Another Poll Finds Hispanic Voters Fleeing The Democratic Party

    A Tuesday poll found that roughly half of Hispanic voters support former President Donald Trump’s immigration policies, including cutting back on legal immigration and asylum.

    Equis Labs, a Democratic polling firm, according to NBC, released a national-post mortem survey found that 49% of Hispanic voters approve of reducing legal immigration and 51% support limiting refugees and asylum. Another 42% support more deportations and 39% approve of building the border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Only 28% of those surveyed approve of family separation, the poll found. In 2018, the Trump administration’s zero-tolerance policy led to border agents separating their migrant children from their parents and referred to the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) which tries to relocate the child to an adult sponsor in the U.S. while the migrant adults are prosecuted, according to previous reporting.

    The poll surveyed 1200 Latinos who voted in 2020 between Aug. 28-Sept. 1, 2021.

    A 40-year-old Democrat said he changed his mind on Trump in 2020 because “he was doing things” rather than just talking about issues, the survey included.

    “In the last election, 2016, I didn’t vote. For me I saw Trump as a clown. He’s a clown…But he changed my mind. In my case, I felt a difference in stability. And he was running the country. Things that were problems a long time, he came in and did something about them quickly at the beginning. He was doing things, not just talking about them.”

    Hispanic voters overwhelmingly support Trump’s tax cuts, with 69% approving of the economic policy, the poll shows. The survey found that 66% support reopening the economy. On the issue of cutting social spending, 45% of Hispanic voters said they support the policy.

    Over three-quarters of those surveyed, 77%, support COVID stimulus checks and 74% support rapid vaccine development, according to the poll. The survey also found that 62% support COVID policy being set by the states and 55% support living without fear of COVID.

    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Another Poll Finds Hispanic Voters Fleeing The Democratic Party

    A Tuesday poll found that roughly half of Hispanic voters support former President Donald Trump’s immigration policies, including cutting back on legal immigration and asylum.

    Equis Labs, a Democratic polling firm, according to NBC, released a national-post mortem survey found that 49% of Hispanic voters approve of reducing legal immigration and 51% support limiting refugees and asylum. Another 42% support more deportations and 39% approve of building the border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Only 28% of those surveyed approve of family separation, the poll found. In 2018, the Trump administration’s zero-tolerance policy led to border agents separating their migrant children from their parents and referred to the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) which tries to relocate the child to an adult sponsor in the U.S. while the migrant adults are prosecuted, according to previous reporting.

    The poll surveyed 1200 Latinos who voted in 2020 between Aug. 28-Sept. 1, 2021.

    A 40-year-old Democrat said he changed his mind on Trump in 2020 because “he was doing things” rather than just talking about issues, the survey included.

    “In the last election, 2016, I didn’t vote. For me I saw Trump as a clown. He’s a clown…But he changed my mind. In my case, I felt a difference in stability. And he was running the country. Things that were problems a long time, he came in and did something about them quickly at the beginning. He was doing things, not just talking about them.”

    Hispanic voters overwhelmingly support Trump’s tax cuts, with 69% approving of the economic policy, the poll shows. The survey found that 66% support reopening the economy. On the issue of cutting social spending, 45% of Hispanic voters said they support the policy.

    Over three-quarters of those surveyed, 77%, support COVID stimulus checks and 74% support rapid vaccine development, according to the poll. The survey also found that 62% support COVID policy being set by the states and 55% support living without fear of COVID.
    Another thing likely playing a role may be something as simple as the SJW/.Progressive wing of the Dems using the made up word 'Latinx' to describe Latinos, when they not only have no interest in the made up word (which makes no sense in their own languages), but a good number actually have said they find it offensive and they will not vote for someone using such terms.

    https://www.newsweek.com/just-2-perc...e-poll-1656412

    Just 2 Percent of Hispanics Use the Term 'Latinx,' 40 Percent Find It Offensive: Poll

    Only 2 percent of Hispanic voters refer to themselves as "Latinx," while nearly half find the term to be offensive—signaling that efforts from Democrats to reach the ethnic group with more gender-neutral language may be failing, according to a new poll.

    A recent nationwide survey of Hispanic voters found that 68 percent of those polled call themselves "Hispanic," while 21 percent favor "Latino" or "Latina" to describe their ethnicity. When it comes to the term "Latinx," 40 percent said they find it bothersome or offensive to some degree, while 30 percent said they would be less likely to support a politician that used the word.

    The survey was conducted using a sample of 800 Hispanic voters in late November from Bendixen & Amandi International, a Democratic firm that specializes in Latino outreach. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.46 percentage points.

    "The numbers suggest that using 'Latinx' is a violation of the political Hippocratic Oath, which is to first do no electoral harm," said pollster Fernand Amandi, whose firm previously advised former President Barack Obama on Hispanic outreach, according to Politico.

    "Why are we using a word that is preferred by only 2 percent, but offends as many as 40 percent of those voters we want to win?" Amandi said.

    The term "Latinx" was adopted in recent years as an alternative to gendered Spanish words, in which feminine nouns typically end with the letter "a" while masculine words end in "o." The word has been embraced by gender non-conforming individuals, as well as politicians and activists who have sought to reach Hispanic voters with a more inclusive option.

    However, critics of the term have argued that it's too tricky to implement non-gendered words into the Spanish language, and have noted that most Hispanic voters continue to use more traditional terms.

    Virginia Republican Attorney General-elect Jason Miyares, who is of Cuban descent, told Politico that using the word often turns Hispanic voters off and signals a sort of cultural elitism.

    "By insisting on using the incorrect term 'Latinx,' progressives are engaging in a type of cultural Marxism, a recast of societal norms," he told the news outlet. "Latinos don't use the term—only upper-educated white liberals who hardly interact with the Latino community. I believe that every time they use the term 'Latinx,' they lose another Latino vote."

    Ilan Stavans, who teaches Latin American and Latino Culture at Amherst in Massachusetts, previously told NPR that the word is difficult to adopt because it seeks to upend the traditional structure of Spanish.

    "It is very difficult to, if not impossible, to shake up the structure of a language to reflect changes in such a short period of time," Stavans said. "We don't all of a sudden decide that we're not going to use such an important feature of the romance languages."

    Conservatives have frequently used to term to criticize their Democratic counterparts. President Joe Biden came under fire from former President Donald Trump during last year's presidential race for using the term, while others mocked him this past June for using the word while discussing vaccine inequality.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

      Another thing likely playing a role may be something as simple as the SJW/.Progressive wing of the Dems using the made up word 'Latinx' to describe Latinos, when they not only have no interest in the made up word (which makes no sense in their own languages), but a good number actually have said they find it offensive and they will not vote for someone using such terms.

      https://www.newsweek.com/just-2-perc...e-poll-1656412
      Interesting
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

        Another thing likely playing a role may be something as simple as the SJW/.Progressive wing of the Dems using the made up word 'Latinx' to describe Latinos, when they not only have no interest in the made up word (which makes no sense in their own languages), but a good number actually have said they find it offensive and they will not vote for someone using such terms.

        https://www.newsweek.com/just-2-perc...e-poll-1656412
        Yup. People who have a language that uses grammatical gender usually know how grammatical gender works, and usually won't appreciate the lack of respect for their culture that imposing a change of word structure demonstrates.
        Last edited by tabibito; 12-16-2021, 09:51 PM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by tabibito View Post

          Yup. People who have a language that uses grammatical gender usually know how grammatical gender works, and usually won't appreciate the lack of respect for their culture that imposing a change of word structure demonstrates.
          I'm not even Hispanic descent and it sounds offensive. It's so snooty and condescending. It's strange AOC doesn't know this, though I guess not strange how leftism nutty can infect the mind.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

            Another thing likely playing a role may be something as simple as the SJW/.Progressive wing of the Dems using the made up word 'Latinx' to describe Latinos, when they not only have no interest in the made up word (which makes no sense in their own languages), but a good number actually have said they find it offensive and they will not vote for someone using such terms.

            https://www.newsweek.com/just-2-perc...e-poll-1656412
            How does one even pronounce "Latinx"?
            LA-tin-EX?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post

              How does one even pronounce "Latinx"?
              LA-tin-EX?
              La-Teenks I beleive.

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              • #8
                An article seeking to explain the shift


                Source: Why Democrats Are Losing Ground With Hispanic Voters



                This winter, Democratic strategists have many causes for discontent. Inflation is eroding Joe Biden’s approval rating and his party’s standing in 2022 midterm polls. The president’s stalled agenda is dispiriting progressive activists and keeping the media’s focus on Democratic disarray. In recent polls, Donald Trump is holding his own in a hypothetical 2024 rematch.

                But it’s possible that no political development worries blue America’s operatives more than Hispanic voters’ rightward drift.

                Biden’s approval rating has declined with just about every demographic. But no racial or ethnic group has soured on the president more than Hispanics, according to FiveThirtyEight’s aggregation of all available polls.

                In one recent survey from The Wall Street Journal, Hispanic voters were about evenly split between Republicans and Democrats on the question of which party they intended to support in next year’s midterms. And in a hypothetical Biden versus Trump rematch, the two candidates were statistically tied among Hispanics. The poll is an outlier, and its sample of Hispanic voters is small. But such a result would scarcely be possible in a world where Hispanic support for the Democratic Party was at remotely normal levels.

                Of course, all this comes in the wake of an election that saw the GOP gain eight points among Hispanic voters, according to the Democratic data firm Catalist.

                What makes this trend so menacing for Democrats is that it threatens to block the party’s most plausible path to retaining federal power even if white working-class unionist Democrats in the Rust Belt go extinct. Hispanics are already the largest category of non-whites in the United States, comprising 19 percent of the U.S. population. Between 2008 and 2020, the Hispanic share of the electorate increased by about 30 percent. And the group is poised to grow considerably in the years to come.

                Thus, if one assumed that Democrats would keep winning roughly 70 percent of the Hispanic vote — as they did in 2012 and 2016 — then the party’s medium-term prospects in the Sun Belt looked promising. Even if the post-industrial Midwest kept trending away from the party, Texas’s rising Hispanic population could eventually turn the Lone Star State blue and make the Electoral College biased toward Democrats in the process.

                On the other hand, if Hispanic voters are in the process of emulating the political trajectory of the so-called “white ethnics” — which is to say, growing more conservative as a portion of the population assimilates into whiteness and moves up the socioeconomic ladder — then Democrats would be in profound trouble. Already, due to the party’s scant support in overrepresented rural areas, Democrats need to win large popular majorities in order to compete for federal power. If Hispanic voters become an evenly divided voting bloc, the GOP could lay claim to a coalition that isn’t merely more geographically efficient than the Democrats, but larger to boot. In which case, Republicans would be in position to dominate American politics for the foreseeable future.

                So it’s pretty important for Democrats to figure out why they’re losing ground with Hispanic voters and what they can do to stop it.

                Earlier this year, Equis Research, a progressive data firm dedicated to analyzing Hispanic voters, released an in-depth report on where Trump’s gains with the ethnic group came from, in both geographic and demographic terms. Among its findings: Trump won over a significant number of previously nonvoting Hispanics, gained more new votes from Latinas than Latinos (even as he did better with the latter in absolute terms), and did especially well in Miami-Dade County and Rio Grande Valley.

                This week, Equis released the second half of its 2020 postmortem, which attempts to explain why these rightward shifts materialized through an analysis of large-sample, post-election surveys of Hispanic voters.

                The report offers Democrats cause for comfort, along with plenty of grounds for concern. Here are four of its more notable findings:


                1) COVID-19 has likely played a big role in pushing Hispanic voters right.

                In Equis’s poll, two-thirds of Hispanic 2020 voters voiced approval for Donald Trump’s position on reopening the economy, while 55 percent endorsed his view that Americans should “live without fear of COVID.” This is not entirely surprising. Hispanics are disproportionately likely to work in industries that were adversely impacted by shutdown orders, such as hospitality and food service.

                For a small but significant minority of Hispanics, Trump’s relative nonchalance about the COVID pandemic proved decisive in their vote choice: Among Hispanic Democrats and independents who backed Trump in 2020, 34 percent said that COVID was the most important issue in determining their vote. Nearly as high a percentage named “the economy”; obviously, in 2020, public-health policy had major economic implications.

                Thus, it looks like Democrats’ reputation as the party more serious about combatting COVID — a clear asset with some segments of the voting public — backfired with marginal Hispanic voters, who feared the economic consequences of stringent anti-pandemic protocols.

                This is a relatively encouraging finding for Democrats. It suggests that the GOP’s gains in 2020 partly derived from a (God willing) temporary policy controversy, and that Biden’s current struggles may also be partly attributable to that same ephemeral issue.

                2) A large number of Democratic Hispanics are quite ideologically conservative.

                Equis finds that the GOP’s attempts to brand the Democratic Party as “socialist” likely had an impact in 2020. Nationally, by a narrow margin, Hispanic 2020 voters said that they were more concerned about the Democratic Party embracing socialism than about the Republican Party embracing fascism. Equis tried to ascertain what these voters meant when they expressed fear of socialism. The most commonly cited concern was that under socialism, “people will become lazy/dependent on government.” Unlike fears of the suppression of free speech, this concern indicates a skepticism of social democracy, not merely totalitarian Stalinism. Which is to say, it suggests that there may be a genuine ideological tension between Joe Biden’s Democratic Party and the anti-socialism segment of the Hispanic electorate.

                One interpretation of Hispanic anti-socialism is to see it as an artifact of an older generation’s direct experience with socialist regimes in Latin America. But Equis’s data suggests that it’s at least as reflective of a younger generation’s integration into America’s conservative political culture: Concern about socialism was actually higher among fourth-generation Hispanic voters than among those whose families arrived in the U.S. more recently.

                Equis’s most interesting — and concerning — finding on this subject concerns the votes that Democrats haven’t lost. The firm finds that among Hispanic voters who still support the Democratic Party, about 35 percent fear socialism more than fascism. Critically, this third of Hispanic Democrats subscribes to a wide range of conservative cultural values. By overwhelming margins, they believe that Black people should overcome prejudice by “working their way up … without special favors” like other minority groups did; that people mainly get ahead through hard work rather than luck; and that “God will grant good health and relief from sickness to believers who have enough faith.”

                What keeps these voters in the Democratic coalition appears to be their sense of ethnic solidarity; more than 75 percent of the group agreed with the statement, “When things get worse for Latinos and Hispanics in this country, they get worse for my family.” (Elsewhere in the poll, Equis finds that Democrats have a large advantage among Hispanic voters on the question, “Which party is better for Hispanics?”)

                But ethnic ties tend to grow less politically binding the longer an immigrant group is in the United States. Over time, one would therefore expect a rising share of Hispanic voters with conservative values to begin privileging ideology over ethnicity in their voting behavior. The fact that such a large share of Hispanic Democrats subscribe to conservative values therefore suggests that the GOP’s recent gains could reflect the beginning of a long-term trend, rather than a COVID-era aberration.

                That interpretation is buttressed by the analysis of Democratic data scientist David Shor, who finds that Democrats’ losses among Hispanics in 2020 were concentrated among self-identified conservatives. And it is also supported by voter file data obtained by Catalist, which shows that the party was losing ground with Hispanics before the COVID pandemic began. In the 2018 midterms — when the U.S. electorate as a whole moved sharply toward Democrats — the GOP’s share of the Hispanic vote increased by three points nationally.

                3) Democrats might gain Hispanic vote share by emphasizing immigration … and/or moving right on the issue.

                Equis finds that between 2016 and 2020, the salience of immigration to Hispanic voters declined considerably. As COVID and the recession put economic concerns at top of mind, and Trump moderated his immigration rhetoric during the general election campaign, a Hispanic voter’s views on immigration became less predictive of their partisan allegiance. This likely redounded to Trump’s benefit: As immigration became less salient, ideologically conservative Hispanics, who’d previously supported Democrats out of a sense of ethnic obligation, felt more comfortable voting for their (right-wing) values.

                In isolation, this finding would suggest that Democrats can increase their Hispanic vote share by raising the salience of immigration. That would be a challenging conclusion in some respects, as de-emphasizing immigration appears to be optimal for winning over marginal white working-class voters.

                But even among Hispanics, the political advisability of progressive immigration messaging is not entirely clear. Large majorities of 2020 Hispanic voters disapproved of Trump’s border wall and family-separation policies. But about half of them voiced approval for reducing legal immigration — a position that puts them to the right of many congressional Republicans on that issue. Meanwhile, 55 percent of Hispanics support more funding for border security.

                4) Democrats have lost their historic edge on the question of which party is better for American workers.

                Fortunately for Democrats, ethnic identity isn’t the only thing binding Hispanic voters to their coalition. By a 20-point margin, Hispanics see Democrats as the better party on “fairness and equality”; the party that “cares more about people like me”; and the party more committed to expanding economic opportunity. Meanwhile, the GOP still suffers from its reputation as the party more deferential to “big corporations.”

                But on the question of which party is “better for American workers,” Democrats no longer have the upper hand, according to Equis. This is significant, since being the party of working people has long been central to the Democratic Party’s brand. It’s unclear whether the Trump-era GOP has gained credibility on this score by embracing a putatively pro-worker protectionism, or because in 2019 Trump presided over record-low Hispanic unemployment, or if the finding is just statistical noise. Regardless, the upshot of Equis’s survey is that Hispanic voters believe that Democrats care more about workers, but aren’t convinced that the party knows how to actually deliver for them. If inflation eventually ebbs while the labor market remains strong, it’s possible that Biden and his party will gain ground on the latter score.

                Equis offers a few other sources of consolation. Democrats lost relatively little ground with Hispanic voters in Arizona, which also happens to be a state where Hispanic voters reported exceptionally high levels of contact from Democratic campaigns. It’s possible, then, that merely investing more resources into Hispanic communities could move the needle. Separately, the Republican Party is charitably declining to make the most of its opening with the demographic group. Even as Hispanic voting trends indicate that the GOP has little to fear from democracy, Republicans have been doubling down on the authoritarian politics of white revanchism.

                Nevertheless, the available evidence suggests that Democrats are at a real risk of suffering steady erosion in their share of the Hispanic vote, especially if they fail to convince a larger share of the demographic to see Democratic values as their own.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                  How does one even pronounce "Latinx"?
                  LA-tin-EX?
                  That's the thing, most who don't speak Spanish don't even know how it should be pronounced (la-tinks? Thats how you pronounce Sphinx, jinx and minx!).

                  And then they try to force it on Spanish speakers. If you were speaking spanish you'd have to naturally read it LA-teen-EH-CKees, because x is pronounced that way.
                  Last edited by Gondwanaland; 12-17-2021, 09:49 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                    That's the thing, most who don't speak Spanish don't even know how it should be pronounced (la-tinks? Thats how you pronounce Sphinx, jinx and minx!).

                    And then they try to force it on Spanish speakers. If you were speaking spanish you'd have to naturally read it LA-teen-EH-CKees, because x is pronounced that way.
                    If you make up a word you probably can decide how it's pronounced.

                    As George Carlin once quipped you can spell your name the same as the f-bomb and still pronounce it Smith.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #11
                      If this keeps up Pelosi and Schumer will be down at the boarder building the wall brick by brick...
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                        That's the thing, most who don't speak Spanish don't even know how it should be pronounced (la-tinks? Thats how you pronounce Sphinx, jinx and minx!).

                        And then they try to force it on Spanish speakers. If you were speaking spanish you'd have to naturally read it LA-teen-EH-CKees, because x is pronounced that way.
                        "Hispanic" is a recently made-up word, bastardized from Hispaniola.

                        The first time the federal government used the word Hispanic in a census was 1980. The appearance of the term was borne from decades of lobbying. “It took the debates of the 1970s, the protests of the late 1960s to get us to 1980,” explains G. Cristina Mora, a sociology professor at UC Berkeley and author of Making Hispanics: How Activists, Bureaucrats, and Media Constructed a New American.

                        https://www.history.com/news/hispani...ano-background

                        Back in my teen years in California, everyone with origins south of the border were "Chicanos." That's what they preferred in that area back then.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          If you make up a word you probably can decide how it's pronounced.

                          As George Carlin once quipped you can spell your name the same as the f-bomb and still pronounce it Smith.
                          Or FRONKunschteen
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post

                            If this keeps up Pelosi and Schumer will be down at the boarder building the wall brick by brick...
                            By the way, Texas officially began building the wall again - at our expense and on our land.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                              Or FRONKunschteen
                              And it's pronounced I-gor

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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