Announcement

Collapse

Civics 101 Guidelines

Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!

Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less

Parents of Michigan School Shooter Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    That is irrelevant. The issue is state legislation concerning firearms.
    I know that you consider inherent rights spelled out in our constitution as "irrelevant" but it does explain why there are such restrictions on propane tanks and not on firearms.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

    Comment


    • #32
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      The left loves to talk about more laws regarding guns, but does a very poor job of enforcing the laws that do exist. Or even the principles, as we see in this case.
      They'll pass more restrictive laws and refuse to enforce them (in fact they appear willing to scrap them if they expose illegal immigrants trying to unlawfully obtain firearms) so they can complain that they didn't work and we need another even more restrictive law that they will utterly ignore.

      Rinse and repeat. We've all been on this Merry-Go-Round before.

      It appears they want to say that they tried to control them and that didn't work so the only option is banning and confiscation.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

      Comment


      • #33
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        I know that you consider inherent rights spelled out in our constitution as "irrelevant" but it does explain why there are such restrictions on propane tanks and not on firearms.
        State laws are not part of the Constitution. They are separate.
        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

        Comment


        • #34
          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

          State laws are not part of the Constitution. They are separate.
          State laws can not override the constitution.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

          Comment


          • #35
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            State laws can not override the constitution.
            That's too simplistic.
            We know J6 wasn’t peaceful because they didn’t set the building on fire.

            Comment


            • #36
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              State laws can not override the constitution.
              This is not about the Constitutional right to bear arms this about state legislation being enacted to ensure that those arms are securely stored to prevent children gaining access to them.
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

              Comment


              • #37
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                State laws are not part of the Constitution. They are separate.
                Yes, but that doesn't mean that they can circumvent constitutional rights.

                Comment


                • #38
                  Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                  Yes, but that doesn't mean that they can circumvent constitutional rights.
                  As only 21 states have no legislation in place regarding child safety and firearms are the other states all in breach of the Constitution?
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                    As only 21 states have no legislation in place regarding child safety and firearms are the other states all in breach of the Constitution?
                    Are you trying to play games about absolutes? I have corrected your statement that "state laws are separate from the constitution".

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      They'll pass more restrictive laws and refuse to enforce them (in fact they appear willing to scrap them if they expose illegal immigrants trying to unlawfully obtain firearms) so they can complain that they didn't work and we need another even more restrictive law that they will utterly ignore.

                      Rinse and repeat. We've all been on this Merry-Go-Round before.

                      It appears they want to say that they tried to control them and that didn't work so the only option is banning and confiscation.
                      Just like the Southern Border - if they really WANTED to fix the problem, there are things they can do, but it serves much better as a political football.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                        Are you trying to play games about absolutes? I have corrected your statement that "state laws are separate from the constitution".
                        My original remark on this thread concerned my shock that Michigan along with 20 other states according to a "study by the Giffords Law Center [sic]...had no child-access prevention laws for guns."
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          My original remark on this thread concerned my shock that Michigan along with 20 other states according to a "study by the Giffords Law Center [sic]...had no child-access prevention laws for guns."
                          And? You made an overgeneralized and over simplistic statement.

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                            As only 21 states have no legislation in place regarding child safety and firearms are the other states all in breach of the Constitution?
                            not how this works.jpg
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

                            Comment


                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                              State laws are not part of the Constitution. They are separate.
                              State laws don't get to override the bill of rights or the constitution, hun. Back to making over-generalized and simplistic statements again, eh?

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                                My original remark on this thread concerned my shock that Michigan along with 20 other states according to a "study by the Giffords Law Center [sic]...had no child-access prevention laws for guns."
                                Your pedantic insistence on adding [sic] to the Giffords Law Center shows your unfamiliarity with the center itself. That's the proper name, after the former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords.
                                Also known as Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

                                Comment

                                Related Threads

                                Collapse

                                Topics Statistics Last Post
                                Started by little_monkey, Yesterday, 04:19 PM
                                6 responses
                                45 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post whag
                                by whag
                                 
                                Started by whag, 03-26-2024, 04:38 PM
                                42 responses
                                231 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post whag
                                by whag
                                 
                                Started by rogue06, 03-26-2024, 11:45 AM
                                24 responses
                                104 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post Ronson
                                by Ronson
                                 
                                Started by Hypatia_Alexandria, 03-26-2024, 09:21 AM
                                32 responses
                                176 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post Hypatia_Alexandria  
                                Started by Hypatia_Alexandria, 03-26-2024, 08:34 AM
                                73 responses
                                289 views
                                0 likes
                                Last Post Hypatia_Alexandria  
                                Working...
                                X