"I think we should throw those books in a fire"

[rogue06]

If they understood it, then they wouldn't be atheists. Duh.

I know plenty of atheists who understand it well enough and still reject it for various reasons.

What I'm talking about is a specific subset. Those who claim that they were in seminary when they had the atheist version of an epiphany. For whatever reason the ones that claim that seem to have the least comprehension about that they seek to criticize.

Now a certain someone may say it is a generalization, and it is, but it is also an observation that keeps getting verification.

[Sparko]

Why is it that those who are atheists and claim to have been in seminary seem to have such a miserable understanding of the Bible and Christianity in general?

If they understood it, then they wouldn't be atheists. Duh.

[rogue06]

Because we don't accept your handwaves and picking and choosing and vast convoluted 'logic' that you make up to try to hold your beliefs together. And as a result, you try to explain THAT by reasssuring yourself that we just don't understand the Bible and Christianity, and that's the reason we bring things up that shake your beliefs. Because it's too terrifying for you to consider the alternative. I remember being the same as you and thinking those same things..

When y'all don't even get the basics right you can't legitimately hide behind claims of handwaves and picking and choosing and vast convoluted 'logic'

[Cow Poke]

Then why did you refer to my comments about a Triune deity as "this crap"?

Your dishonesty again raises her ugly head....

You had assumed to know what I believe...

According to your later religious beliefs Jesus is of the same substance as the Father ...

I responded with...

Where do you get this crap?

Because we use the term "essence" rather than "substance".

It was LATER you falsely accused me of not believing in a Triune God --- we're still on the issue of "substance".

And I was CLEAR what "crap" I was referencing...

The "crap" is where you assign a position to a person ASSUMING you know what they believe - I don't care about your "differing" --- stop being such an arrogant ASSUMER!

We don't hold to any creeds.

You have alleged that you have some acquaintance with Latin and Greek.

I have.

The Greek term Homoousios [same substance] translates into Latin as Consubstantia.

That is the basis of the Triune deity - i.e. the Trinity.

Your creed incorporates language from the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed.

We don't have a creed. And we purposely use the word "essence" instead of "substance".

[Gondwanaland]

Why is it that those who are atheists and claim to have been in seminary seem to have such a miserable understanding of the Bible and Christianity in general?

Because we don't accept your handwaves and picking and choosing and vast convoluted 'logic' that you make up to try to hold your beliefs together. And as a result, you try to explain THAT by reasssuring yourself that we just don't understand the Bible and Christianity, and that's the reason we bring things up that shake your beliefs. Because it's too terrifying for you to consider the alternative. I remember being the same as you and thinking those same things.

It's like those who post stuff saying evolution is nonsense. Many if not most of those started by saying that they studied evolution in college (I'll assume they meant to say they took a biology class) right before making it clear that they got their science from comic books.

Most didn't, actually. Most creationists at best got a high school education.

[rogue06]

Damn, you guys choose the funniest things to try to use as an insult. That's a badge of honor, son. I broke the brainwashing that had been placed upon me by your faith my entire life. I'm • Edited by a Moderator • proud of that, that I didn't remain a little drone like you.

Why is it that those who are atheists and claim to have been in seminary seem to have such a miserable understanding of the Bible and Christianity in general?

It's like those who post stuff saying evolution is nonsense. Many if not most of those started by saying that they studied evolution in college (I'll assume they meant to say they took a biology class) right before making it clear that they got their science from comic books.

[Gondwanaland]

Says the guy who thinks asking "Who created the Creator?" is sound rhetoric.

Maybe if you had the intellectual stamina to stick it out to graduation, you might have learned what a stupid question that really is.

Your mother dropped you on your head a lot as a child, didn't she?

I'd call you a sheep but that would be an insult to those wonderful animals.

[Gondwanaland]

If you say so.

Sorry I wasted my time with something that clearly sailed over your head.

I never made the argument that you chose to argue against in your post (never said a single word about it, in fact - if you beg to differ, I demand you quote me). MM is the one that brought it up himself, and I ignored it, for that very reason of it being a strawman.

[Mountain Man]

Damn, you guys choose the funniest things to try to use as an insult. That's a badge of honor, son. I broke the brainwashing that had been placed upon me by your faith my entire life. I'm • Edited by a Moderator • proud of that, that I didn't remain a little drone like you.

Says the guy who thinks asking "Who created the Creator?" is sound rhetoric.

Maybe if you had the intellectual stamina to stick it out to graduation, you might have learned what a stupid question that really is.

[rogue06]

AN entire post dedicated to a strawman, how lovely.

If you say so.

Sorry I wasted my time with something that clearly sailed over your head.

[Cow Poke]

Strictly yes, in the Greek it is essence. The Latin is consubstantia.

Either way I do not think some here know a great deal about the early history of their religion

"Knowing the early history" of one's religion does not imply that one holds to every aspect of what has been debated in the past.

Not claiming to subscribe to a creed is not the same not knowing about it, or even rejecting it.

You make WAY too many dumb assumptions.

[Gondwanaland]

And "essence" is what we use in our summary of the Trinity.

There is one and only one living and true God. He is an intelligent, spiritual, and personal Being, the Creator, Redeemer, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe. God is infinite in holiness and all other perfections. God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures. To Him we owe the highest love, reverence, and obedience. The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.

Which makes your original objection a distinction without a difference. THus why I questioned why you don't believe in the Trinity, and upon learning you do, pointed out that she seems to be correct that you didn't understand, despite your claims that you did. Honestly you'd have been better off taking my out of you just trolling her, brudder.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Actually it best translates as same essence, IIRC, but substance is an acceptable alternative.

Strictly yes, in the Greek it is essence. The Latin is consubstantia.

Either way I do not think some here know a great deal about the early history of their religion

[Cow Poke]

Actually it best translates as same essence, IIRC, but substance is an acceptable alternative.

And "essence" is what we use in our summary of the Trinity.

There is one and only one living and true God. He is an intelligent, spiritual, and personal Being, the Creator, Redeemer, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe. God is infinite in holiness and all other perfections. God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures. To Him we owe the highest love, reverence, and obedience. The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.

[Gondwanaland]

Whatever you say, seminary dropout.

Damn, you guys choose the funniest things to try to use as an insult. That's a badge of honor, son. I broke the brainwashing that had been placed upon me by your faith my entire life. I'm • Edited by a Moderator • proud of that, that I didn't remain a little drone like you.

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