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Last edited by Gondwanaland; 12-10-2021, 10:03 AM.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostYou have never provided any accredited historical evidence to support of your contention that within the Graeco-Roman world anti-Semitism,as we now understand that term, existed. Your repeated refusal and feeble excuses exemplify that fact.
Had you such evidence you would have produced it with alacrity.
It does not to conform to modern understanding of that term.
No one is disputing there were anti-Judaic sentiments and animosity that on occasion led to violence
. However, In Rome there were also anti-Egyptian sentiments [given the events with Cleopatra] and some anti-Greek feeling against bearded men and their philosophy leading young men astray. It is possible there were distinct anti-Germanic sentiments after the events of 9 CE However, none of this was institutionalised and no group was deliberately targeted for its religion and religious practises
As anti-Semitism as we now understand the term was institutionalised by the Nazis via the Nurnberg Laws you are [once again] writing nonsense.
You have dug yourself in to your own metaphorical hole in these exchanges.
I asked you a carefully worded question.
https://theologyweb.com/campus/forum/social-studies/civics-101/1329148-i-think-we-should-throw-those-books-in-a-fire/page31#post1332642
Post # 456
You replied at post # 458
My emphasis.
Your reply in that opening paragraph confirmed your acknowledgement of my question to you. You continued that it was not simply according to you but “it’s according to actual historians”. You even used the word “Correct”.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
But you aren't "beating her at her own game". She won the game the moment you followed her down her subject change. I.E. Its like when democrats claim something is racist to shift the focus from the corruption that a politician is doing. The minute you decide to engage with their argument about that something being racist, you lose, because you are doing what they want, which is ignore the corruption of the politician.
See, here's the thing. This is her thread. If it were mine she'd have been booted within the first couple pages. But we can't boot her, nor keep her on topic (which she's clearly not interested in). What we can do is turn it into a massive monument to her own idiocy and numerous losses of argument that result in her subject changes. That's better than just ignoring her.Last edited by Gondwanaland; 12-10-2021, 10:14 AM.
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Deh. She derails when she can't substantiate her argument. It's a non-admission of defeat.
I thought you might have a little more probity."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
Literally don't care.
See, here's the thing. This is her thread. If it were mine she'd have been booted within the first couple pages. But we can't boot her, nor keep her on topic (which she's clearly not interested in). What we can do is turn it into a massive monument to her own idiocy and numerous losses of argument that result in her subject changes. That's better than just ignoring her.
I'd have gone with something akin with:
Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostPost # 466
Post # 496
Two comments within two pages that refer to spanking a women. Hmmm. You do seem to like making allusions to administering corporal punishment. Is there something you would like to share with us all?
Instead, lets continue on dealing with your inaccuracies, and inability to recognize Hellenistic Scholars.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostThat hasn't stopped you from proclaiming that you magically know, you pathetic hypocrite."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
You do not seem to be able to grasp the use of a qualified statement. Unlike you I do not make dogmatic pronouncements and then expect everyone to unquestioningly accept what I have written.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Given that I have provided citations from various academics in support of my contentions and you have provided practically nothing I do not think I am the one who cannot substantiate my argument,
These problems have been a feature of civilisation for as far back as tracing has been possible. Your citations did not demonstrate a lack of racism in BCE cultures, and anti-Semitism specifically. Nor have any of your arguments addressed the Judaist anti-Christian faithism.
I thought you might have a little more probity.Last edited by tabibito; 12-10-2021, 08:40 PM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Given that I have provided citations from various academics in support of my contentions and you have provided practically nothing I do not think I am the one who cannot substantiate my argument,
I thought you might have a little more probity.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostNor will I ever leap through your hoops, so go choke.
If I were speaking to someone other than yourself, certainly.
There is nothing in the modern understanding of that term that requires it to be institutionalized or systematic.
Hence, antisemitism.
And? That there were other racist sentiments present does not negate the antisemitism. Otherwise the Nazis were not anti-semitic because they targeted homosexuals, Romani, etc..
More nonsense.
You asked a carefully worded strawman.
And yet when I used the word 'correct', you bleated that I had not answered your question. You don't get to have it both ways, bimbo.
However, your unsupported opinion is still misguided and flawed and no amount of metaphorically stamping your foot or making pejorative remarks towards me will alter that fact."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
You do not seem to be able to grasp your hypocrisy.
OR is it just so much arrogance that she simply doesn't care?
I honestly can't tell.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostThe basic premise of racism is that another race is somehow inferior: morally, intellectually, or in other ways.It would be possible to add faithism and culturism to the list of isms, again attributing moral, intellectual, or other deficiencies to the out-group. Practicing racism is not restricted to any one race, nor faithism to any one faith, nor culturism to any one culture.
No one disputes that notions of cultural or racial superiority existed in the ancient world. The ancient Egyptians were somewhat chauvinistic and the Greeks considered anyone who did not speak Greek to be a barbarian [the word is still in use today to denote someone who uncultured and/or wantonly destructive].
No one has ever disputed the possibility that group hatred and bigotry may have existed in many forms in the course of human history but the attitudes of the Graeco-Roman world were not the same as those which produced the [supposedly] scientific racism of the nineteenth century.
The Greeks and Romans described other peoples and explained their own superiority as well as the good values or and/or inferiority of other groups.. Tacitus writes of the Germanic tribe the Chatti as being given to orderly judgement and sagacity. However, other writers including Strabo and Manilius considered the Germans to be untrustworthy and liars. However, their views cannot be taken as a consensus and those opinions may have something to do with the disastrous event of 9 CE.
As to religions, Rome took a dim view of any religion that threatened the status quo. Egyptian and Asiatic cults were deemed a threat because they appealed to Romans. Other religions were considered primitive and barbaric. However, there was a distinction between attitudes towards those religions and cults practised in Rome and those only practised in the provinces. As long as human sacrifice did not take place and anti-Roman rebellions were not encouraged or fomented under religious groups [the Druids for example] foreign cults in the provinces were generally left alone, especially if they could claim to be ancient practises.
Originally posted by tabibito View PostQuite simply, Jewish cultural isolationism was certain to provoke antagonism in any culture coming into contact with Judaism.
However, without an understanding of the history of this region from the Persian period onward vague generalisations pertaining to the Jews have no validity.
Originally posted by tabibito View PostThese problems have been a feature of civilisation for as far back as tracing has been possible. Your citations did not demonstrate a lack of racism in BCE cultures, and anti-Semitism specifically.
Originally posted by tabibito View PostNor have any of your arguments addressed the Judaist anti-Christian faithism.
Originally posted by tabibito View PostYou thought what? Pull the other one.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post[FONT=Arial]Firstly the term "racism" first occurs in the OED in 1910.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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