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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
I do have a moral foundation. I don't need some deity up in the sky to tell me how to be moral. I, like most everyone on the planet, am capable of empathy, understanding how actions can harm others, etc.. we don't need a book to tell us that. Honestly it's the people that insist that the only way to be moral is to follow the zbible that scare me because that implies that if they lose their faith in said book or deity, they will go on mass raping, stealing, and killing sprees.
Now, I Know reasonably they won't because despite their words, they too are just as capable of moral thought, with or without their religious faith. But the way y'all try to hype it up makes it sound previsely like i described.
And if you want to just copypasta, well: https://www.atheistalliance.org/abou...theists-moral/
And I find it curious that you would sneer at the laws of God as recorded in the Bible but apparently have no problem with secular laws against murder or theft. If we follow your argument, we may as well strike all laws from the books, because surely we don't need the government telling us it's wrong to arbitrarily kill our neighbor.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
But the murderous Maoists also used reason to implement social cohesion, and did it rather successfully. So reason itself does not tell us what is moral or not.
Given what I just said, reason is a non-starter.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Then if God revealed his law to man then that too would be a part of reality.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Postthe capability to reason, and understand empsthy, etc..
Thus why reason is important.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Whose reason?
And biology? What does that mean? Our biology leads to some very cruel things.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
In asking in what sense are they a part of reality. In other words - when we invent laws are they then a part of reality?
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Postwhat are "the laws"? What does that refer to? Try phrasing it a sensible manner. Are you asking me if societies have created laws against murder?Last edited by seer; 12-01-2021, 03:17 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
I have no idea what you are talking about. Go back to what MM said.
If you really believe that then you have no grounds for moral objection, and yet as one of the more conservative posters on this forum who regularly condemns immoral behavior, your actions are not consistent with your stated beliefs.
In other words, what is your rational basis for objecting to any moral behavior? Your personal preference?
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Originally posted by seer View Post
It is a simple and direct question: Do the laws against murder exist in reality?
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The heavens declare the glory of God and the skies proclaim His handiwork.
[/QUOTE] Yeah yeah, and every amazing bowl of pasta declares and proves the might and power of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
There's nothing to answer. You want me to follow some straw you are arguing against.
If you really believe that then you have no grounds for moral objection, and yet as one of the more conservative posters on this forum who regularly condemns immoral behavior, your actions are not consistent with your stated beliefs.
In other words, what is your rational basis for objecting to any moral behavior? Your personal preference?
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostYou're going to have to ask a more clear question.
Except reality does not show evidence of your fantasy.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Way to avoid an answer....
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