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  • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    No you didn't.

    You tell me that your views are supported by "actual historians" so produce those historians with the evidence I have just requested.
    https://theologyweb.com/campus/forum...51#post1331451

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

      Personally, letting her spew without acknowledging her bigotry is rude to everyone else.
      I believe that I did complain about her bigotry in the past, and the claim that the church as a whole somehow was anti-Semitic has been addressed. She has the options of acknowledging the fact that it was not a feature of the church as a whole, or making the fact of her bigotry even more clear than it already is.
      1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
      Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
      .
      If Palm Sunday really was a Sunday, Christ was crucified on a Thursday (which could be adduced from the gospels anyway).

      "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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      • Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

        You have to keep in mind. Hypatia is anti-christian. So, she has interest in pawning off the evils of the world onto a group she's prejudiced against.
        A symptom of hate.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          A symptom of hate.
          - she seems to think that being anti-jew is hatred but being anti-Christian isn't. Another double standard.

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          • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

            I believe that I did complain about her bigotry in the past, and the claim that the church as a whole somehow was anti-Semitic has been addressed. She has the options of acknowledging the fact that it was not a feature of the church as a whole, or making the fact of her bigotry even more clear than it already is.
            Pointing out that present day anti-Semitism has its roots in early Christianity is not bigotry. That some Christians may find that unpleasant truth in the history of their religion hard to accept is another matter entirely.

            I also wonder if much of this defensive behaviour protesting against the Christian origins of modern anti-Semitism is a form of guilt resulting from the horror of the Holocaust which was an atrocity whose origins can be traced back to writings found in early Christian texts.

            It should be remembered that the concept of annihilating the Jews is something that has been present for some considerable time in Christianity and various millenarian movements that arose from time to time were focused on the concept of “the Antichrist”. This doctrine received its earliest expression in the church Fathers, Irenaeus, Hippolytus and Lactantius, and was based chiefly on the exegesis of II Thessalonians 2: 3-12. This [although possibly a later interpolation] was widely interpreted to mean that at the end of days a Jewish Antichrist would arise and be regarded by the Jews as the Messiah. He would lead a powerful Jewish army against the forces of Christianity headed by Christ himself. It was also believed that the result of this conflict would result in the total destruction of the Jews by the divinely led Christian forces.

            It might therefore be argued that the existence of such ideas within Christianity from such an early period
            made possible [even to the point of tacitly sanctioning] the Nazi's attempted genocide.

            A
            s has been previously noted the present day anti-Semitic tropes listed by the ADL are all from Christian or post Christian societies.

            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

            Sportin' Life
            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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            • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

              Pointing out that present day anti-Semitism has its roots in early Christianity is not bigotry.
              Continuing to ignore the fact that anti-Semitism was around centuries before Christianity because it upsets your anti-Christian rant is, OTOH, most definitely bigotry.

              Continuing to try to minimize the centuries of pagan anti-Semitism because it upsets your anti-Christian diatribe is, OTOH, most definitely bigotry.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • Remind me what books we want to throw in a fire?
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Remind me what books we want to throw in a fire?
                  9781984805706.jpg
                  Nobody nowhere nohow owns a rogue

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • https://journals.openedition.org/bcrfj/5968

                    4th Century BC - Hecataeus - Hecataeus’ excursus (apud Diodorus Siculus, Bibliotheca Historica 40.3)

                    1. When in ancient times a pestilence arose in Egypt, the common people ascribed their troubles to the workings of a divine agency; for indeed with many strangers of all sorts dwelling in their midst and practising different rites of religion and sacrifice, their own traditional observances in honour of the gods had fallen into disuse. 2. Hence the natives of the land surmised that unless they removed the foreigners, their troubles would never be resolved. At once, therefore, the aliens were driven from the country, and the most outstanding and active among them banded together and, as some say, were cast ashore in Greece and certain other regions; their leaders were notable men, chief among them being Danaus and Cadmus. But the greater number were driven into what is now called Judaea, which is not far distant from Egypt and was at that time utterly uninhabited. 3. The colony was headed by a man called Moses, outstanding both for his wisdom and for his courage. On taking possession of the land he founded, beside other cities, one that is now the most renowned of all, called Jerusalem. In addition he established the temple that they hold in chief veneration, instituted their forms of worship and ritual, drew up their laws and ordered their political institutions. He also divided them into twelve tribes, since this is regarded as the most perfect number and corresponds to the number of months that make up a year. 4. But he had no images whatsoever of the gods made for them, being of the opinion that God is not in human form; rather the Heaven that surrounds the earth is alone divine, and rules the universe. The sacrifices that he established differ from those of other nations, as does their way of living, for as a result of their own expulsion from Egypt he introduced a kind of misanthropic and inhospitable way of life (ajpavnqrwpovn tina kai; misovxenon bivon) (…).”6

                    The Jews are actually the only people or nation ever accused of being misanthropic (misanthr˘pos, apanthr˘pos) and inhospitable (misoxenos) in the whole corpus of Greek literature.

                    Although their attitude was considered strange and not very nice, in the eyes of a fourth/third century Greek writer like Hecataeus it was not yet as reprehensible as it happened to be at the end of the 2nd century BCE, when, in a completely different political context, Jewish separatism was understood as an expression of deep hatred against all non-Jews.


                    What you fail to acknowledge Hypatia_Alexandria is that the Jews had acted against Christians, and had engaged in some vile accusations against Christians while Christians were still trying to maintain cordial relations with Judaism.

                    Pointing out that present day anti-Semitism has its roots in early Christianity is not bigotry. That some Christians may find that unpleasant truth in the history of their religion hard to accept is another matter entirely.
                    There has been no attempt to deny that the church has engaged in anti-Semitism: the claim that anti-Semitism originated with the church has been refuted. There is enough evidence to show that preexisting anti-Semitism was inherited by the church, and enough Jewish action against the church to provoke retaliation. The claim that anti-Semitism was endemic throughout the primitive churches has likewise been refuted. Your claim that present day anti-Semitism has its roots in early Christianity is probably true (in Europe and the English speaking world) ... but your initial claim did not address that issue. It was a claim that anti-Semitism itself originated with the church.
                    1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                    Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                    .
                    If Palm Sunday really was a Sunday, Christ was crucified on a Thursday (which could be adduced from the gospels anyway).

                    "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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                    • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

                      Nobody nowhere nohow owns a rogue
                      Most people won't even own to knowing a rogue.
                      1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                      Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                      .
                      If Palm Sunday really was a Sunday, Christ was crucified on a Thursday (which could be adduced from the gospels anyway).

                      "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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                      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

                        9781984805706.jpg
                        Nobody nowhere nohow owns a rogue
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          I am tempted to ask if those "actual historians" you have mentioned are Snarks!
                          *Yawn*
                          "When you're attacking FBI agents because you're under criminal investigation, you're losing"
                          -Trump Press Secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders


                          "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus. So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
                          - Pfizer Scientist Chris Croce

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                          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            Even when we can trace it back at least as far as the 3rd cent. B.C. she keeps pretending that Christians concocted anti-Semitism all by themselves. It just magically appeared overnight in the middle of the 1st cent. A.D.
                            Honestly if anyone believes she's an actual historian at this point, I've got some prime real estate in my swamp to sell them.
                            "When you're attacking FBI agents because you're under criminal investigation, you're losing"
                            -Trump Press Secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders


                            "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus. So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
                            - Pfizer Scientist Chris Croce

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                            • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                              Most people won't even own to knowing a rogue.
                              Jealousy rears its ugly head. Everyone wants to be like a rogue but don't want anyone comparing them to a real rogue so they pretend not to know any

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                                Most people won't even own to knowing a rogue.
                                Well, there's that lady who was walking through the park one day in the very merry month of may.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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