"I think we should throw those books in a fire"

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Out of curiosity, why did you say "German speaking people" instead of "Germans"?

Throughout history different German speaking states had often fought against one another. There was no Germany as we now understand it until early 1871 when the nation state was established under Wilhelm I.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Do you have a point to make?

Is that ALL Christian Germans without exception? And, please define "Christian German".

Note the word "generally".

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Anti-Semitism dates before the advent of Christianity.

That is, as is your wont, a sweeping generalisation. You would need to define what you understand by "Anti-Semitism" when applying that term to the ancient world. However, I doubt that will occur because i suspect you do not know enough about the subject.

Furthermore, as with all history, it's complicated.

And a word of caution. Using terms like "The Nazis merely" while directly discussing what they did to the Jews, places you dangerously close to being a Nazi apologist

I do so enjoy reading comments from men, who themselves know very little about particular topics, cautioning and correcting me on those topics.

Anti-Semitism has existed within the Christian world for nearly two millennia. The Nazi leaders came from [often deeply religious e.g. Austria and Bavaria] Christian countries and communities. Furthermore there were plenty of anti-Semites and anti-Semitic political parties across Europe [and indeed the USA] who used the same tropes towards the Jews.

That is a fact that some people here seem to forget.

[CivilDiscourse]

That is, as is your wont, a sweeping generalisation. You would need to define what you understand by "Anti-Semitism" when applying that term to the ancient world. However, I doubt that will occur because i suspect you do not know enough about the subject.

Furthermore, as with all history, it's complicated.

I do so enjoy reading comments from men, who themselves know very little about particular topics, cautioning and correcting me on those topics.

Anti-Semitism has existed within the Christian world for nearly two millennia. The Nazi leaders came from [often deeply religious e.g. Austria] Christian countries. Furthermore there were plenty of anti-Semites and anti-Semitic political parties across Europe [and indeed the USA] who used the same tropes towards the Jews.

That is a fact that some people here seem to forget.

Yeah Don't you know, Hypatia only prefers simple answers to complex subjects when she's the one giving the simplistic answers.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Yeah Don't you know, Hypatia only prefers simple answers to complex subjects when she's the one giving the simplistic answers.

What I presented are known facts.

However, if you want a serious exchange on the history of anti-Semitism within Christianity you know what to do!

[CivilDiscourse]

What I presented are known facts.

However, if you want a serious exchange on the history of anti-Semitism within Christianity you know what to do!

Continue the conversation here because you've spent absolutely no effort actually trying to keep this thread on topic, and are just now trying to tell people to make another thread so you can avoid the conversation?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Continue the conversation here because you've spent absolutely no effort actually trying to keep this thread on topic, and are just now trying to tell people to make another thread so you can avoid the conversation?

Let's see how we get on, shall we?

I posted these comments.

"That is, as is your wont, a sweeping generalisation. You would need to define what you understand by "Anti-Semitism" when applying that term to the ancient world. However, I doubt that will occur because i suspect you do not know enough about the subject.

Furthermore, as with all history, it's complicated.

Anti-Semitism has existed within the Christian world for nearly two millennia. The Nazi leaders came from [often deeply religious e.g. Austria and Bavaria] Christian countries and communities. Furthermore there were plenty of anti-Semites and anti-Semitic political parties across Europe [and indeed the USA] who used the same tropes towards the Jews.

That is a fact that some people here seem to forget."

In response to that post you wrote this;

"Yeah Don't you know, Hypatia only prefers simple answers to complex subjects when she's the one giving the simplistic answers."

Kindly illustrate from what I wrote [and using your own knowledge of those two topics] where you consider I gave "simple answers to complex subjects" or provided "simplistic answers.".

[CivilDiscourse]

Let's see how we get on, shall we?

I posted these comments.

"That is, as is your wont, a sweeping generalisation. You would need to define what you understand by "Anti-Semitism" when applying that term to the ancient world. However, I doubt that will occur because i suspect you do not know enough about the subject.

Furthermore, as with all history, it's complicated.

Anti-Semitism has existed within the Christian world for nearly two millennia. The Nazi leaders came from [often deeply religious e.g. Austria and Bavaria] Christian countries and communities. Furthermore there were plenty of anti-Semites and anti-Semitic political parties across Europe [and indeed the USA] who used the same tropes towards the Jews.

That is a fact that some people here seem to forget."

In response to that post you wrote this;

"Yeah Don't you know, Hypatia only prefers simple answers to complex subjects when she's the one giving the simplistic answers."

Kindly illustrate from what I wrote [and using your own knowledge of those two topics] where you consider I gave "simple answers to complex subjects" or provided "simplistic answers.".

I've simply observed your behavior in this and other threads. You have no problem with simplistic answers to complex subjects, provided you are giving the simplistic answers. You only pull out the "complex issues" excuse when you want to discredit someone's point without ever addressing it.

[tabibito]

Whether Old Testament records of anti Jewish action can properly be termed anti-semitism (as in racism) may be subject to debate.

First Century CE

19 CE

Roman Emperor Tiberius expels Jews from Rome. Their expulsion is recorded by the Roman historical writers Suetonius, Josephus, and Cassius Dio.

38 CE

Thousands of Jews killed by mobs in the Alexandrian pogrom, as recounted by Philo of Alexandria in Flaccus. Synagogues are defiled, Jewish leaders are publicly scourged, and the Jewish population is confined to one quarter of the city.^[8]

50 CE

Jews are ordered by Roman Emperor Claudius "not to hold meetings", in the words of Cassius Dio (Roman History, 60.6.6). Claudius later expelled Jews from Rome, according to both Suetonius ("Lives of the Twelve Caesars", Claudius, Section 25.4) and Acts 18:2.

66 CE

Under the command of Tiberius Julius Alexander, Roman soldiers killed about 50,000 Jews in the Alexandria riot.

And of course

66–73 CE

The First Jewish–Roman War against the Romans is crushed by Vespasian and Titus. Titus refuses to accept a wreath of victory, because there is "no merit in vanquishing people forsaken by their own God."

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I've simply observed your behavior in this and other threads. You have no problem with simplistic answers to complex subjects, provided you are giving the simplistic answers. You only pull out the "complex issues" excuse when you want to discredit someone's point without ever addressing it.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with what you originally wrote at post # 349 and is not what I requested.

You made a definitive statement concerning my post # 348 and wrote that "Hypatia only prefers simple answers to complex subjects when she's the one giving the simplistic answers".

I am asking you to support your remark [utilising what I have written in that post # 348] and your own knowledge of those respective subjects to illustrate in what regard you consider that my comments in post #348 were either "simple answers" or "simplistic answers."

I do hope I am not detecting pusillanimity with regard to my request.

[CivilDiscourse]

That has nothing whatsoever to do with what you originally wrote at post # 349 and is not what I requested.

You made a definitive statement concerning my post # 348 and wrote that "Hypatia only prefers simple answers to complex subjects when she's the one giving the simplistic answers".

I am asking you to support your remark [utilising what I have written in that post # 348] and your own knowledge of those respective subjects to illustrate in what regard you consider that my comments in post #348 were either "simple answers" or "simplistic answers."

I do hope I am not detecting pusillanimity with regard to my request.

Did I reference you saying that In this thread?

You are making stuff up again.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Whether Old Testament records of anti Jewish action can properly be termed anti-semitism (as in racism) may be subject to debate.

First Century CE

19 CE

Roman Emperor Tiberius expels Jews from Rome. Their expulsion is recorded by the Roman historical writers Suetonius, Josephus, and Cassius Dio.

38 CE

Thousands of Jews killed by mobs in the Alexandrian pogrom, as recounted by Philo of Alexandria in Flaccus. Synagogues are defiled, Jewish leaders are publicly scourged, and the Jewish population is confined to one quarter of the city.^[8]

50 CE

Jews are ordered by Roman Emperor Claudius "not to hold meetings", in the words of Cassius Dio (Roman History, 60.6.6). Claudius later expelled Jews from Rome, according to both Suetonius ("Lives of the Twelve Caesars", Claudius, Section 25.4) and Acts 18:2.

66 CE

Under the command of Tiberius Julius Alexander, Roman soldiers killed about 50,000 Jews in the Alexandria riot.

And of course

66–73 CE

The First Jewish–Roman War against the Romans is crushed by Vespasian and Titus. Titus refuses to accept a wreath of victory, because there is "no merit in vanquishing people forsaken by their own God."

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism

Beware tabibito! You may find @Civil Discourse accusing you of "simple" or even "simplistic answers"!

However, the reasons behind those events are complicated.

[tabibito]

Beware tabibito! You may find @Civil Discourse accusing you of "simple" or even "simplistic answers"!

However, the reasons behind those events are complicated.

True - racism on the basis of skin colour is a fairly recent development. In times past it was much more subtle, but the old forms have not lapsed. I suppose it might be possible to term some of the older forms ethnicism and faithism.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

True - racism on the basis of skin colour is a fairly recent development. In times past it was much more subtle, but the old forms have not lapsed. I suppose it might be possible to term some of the older forms ethnicism and faithism.

You are falling into the same error of assuming that these events were all perpetrated by anti-Semites against innocent Jews. They were not.

Yes innocent people suffered in the Alexandrian riots but when violence breaks out that is always the case.

However, the animosity between Egyptians and Jews had a long history.

[CivilDiscourse]

Beware tabibito! You may find @Civil Discourse accusing you of "simple" or even "simplistic answers"!

However, the reasons behind those events are complicated.

Oh look, H_A is once again trying to turn posters against each other.