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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    Do you have a point to make?

    Is that ALL Christian Germans without exception? And, please define "Christian German".
    Note the word "generally".

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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    Out of curiosity, why did you say "German speaking people" instead of "Germans"?
    Throughout history different German speaking states had often fought against one another. There was no Germany as we now understand it until early 1871 when the nation state was established under Wilhelm I.

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    Out of curiosity, why did you say "German speaking people" instead of "Germans"?
    Perhaps because for much of the time period in question, there was no Germany.

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  • Ronson
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    From Orson Welles' film The Stranger, where he plays a Nazi in hiding in a small New England town. Edward G Robinson is a federal investigator trying to figure out whether or not Welles in the man he's looking for.

    In the scene, at 3:55, he slips up and gives himself away by saying "Marx wasn't a German. Marx was a Jew."



    ETA: I should add, Welles said he met Hitler at some early stage, a luncheon where they sat next to each other. He said Hitler was characterless in that social setting, and he only later remembered it was him after he rose to power.
    Last edited by Ronson; 12-04-2021, 07:16 PM.

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  • Ronson
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    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    There is no "desperation" although you will clearly read exactly what you wish to read into my comments.

    The fact is that German speaking people have killed one another over their Christian religious issues and numerous other Christians have killed each other for a variety of different reasons in the past 1700 years or so.
    Out of curiosity, why did you say "German speaking people" instead of "Germans"?

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    And please show how that compared to non-Christian Germans at the time along with citing your sources
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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    Do you have a point to make?

    Is that ALL Christian Germans without exception? And, please define "Christian German".
    And please show how that compared to non-Christian Germans at the time along with citing your sources

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Hence Christian Germans were not generally averse to supporting the Nazis.
    Do you have a point to make?

    Is that ALL Christian Germans without exception? And, please define "Christian German".

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  • Gondwanaland
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Anti-Semitism dates before the advent of Christianity.
    I've corrected her on this multiple times. You'd think a historian would know this, or at least be able to accept basic correction and use those newly discovered facts in the future.

    And a word of caution. Using terms like "The Nazis merely" while directly discussing what they did to the Jews, places you dangerously close to being a Nazi apologist
    And when taken in conjuction with past statements, such as those that have sought to equate small atrocities with the Holocaust, it REALLY is not a good look from a German.....
    Last edited by Gondwanaland; 12-04-2021, 03:30 PM.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    And a word of caution. Using terms like "The Nazis merely" while directly discussing what they did to the Jews, places you dangerously close to being a Nazi apologist
    Close? It blatantly crosses the line.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Where have I suggested it was "worse"? Christian internecine war and persecution was certainly horrifically ridiculous in its fanaticism over such trivial things as "words and names".

    However, Christianity did rather set the agenda with the persecution of the Jews as they had been persecuted by the Christian church and Christian societies long before the Nazis came along. The Nazis merely utilised their own and other existing anti-Semitic tropes and slanders.
    Anti-Semitism dates before the advent of Christianity.

    And a word of caution. Using terms like "The Nazis merely" while directly discussing what they did to the Jews, places you dangerously close to being a Nazi apologist

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

    The point is your objection to rogue's statement was a load of garbage.
    Can you provide 10 vetted sources for that?


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  • Gondwanaland
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    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Do you have a point to make?
    The point is your objection to rogue's statement was a load of garbage.

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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
    The desperation continues.

    Again, since you don't seem to remember what this is about:






    Do you have a point to make?

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  • Gondwanaland
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    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    There is no "desperation" although you will clearly read exactly what you wish to read into my comments.

    The fact is that German speaking people have killed one another over their Christian religious issues and numerous other Christians have killed each other for a variety of different reasons in the past 1700 years or so.
    The desperation continues.

    Again, since you don't seem to remember what this is about:
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Be grateful you are not living a few centuries ago. You would have been burned for heresy.
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    That's pretty much like saying be thankful that you're not a Jew in Germany in the 1930s-40s.

    Or, given that they put gays and lesbians in concentration camps as well, be thankful you aren't living just 70 years ago.
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Hardly. Christians killed other Christians for daring to disagree about "words and names". It was internecine murder and torture.

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