"I think we should throw those books in a fire"

[rogue06]

Fixed it for you.

Well, it was sharp

[rogue06]

That reads like a sentence typed by somebody trying to sound knowledgeable on something they know little about, while writing a paper for a sociology class.

Learn to read your prof and it's an easy A.

[Gondwanaland]

Why "1940s Germany"? Hitler came to power in 1933.

and?

It was not endemic to every society, unlike in the Christian world, and it was generally sporadic only occurring when Jews, as a group, came into social or political prominence.

it doesn't need to be "wndemic" to exist you brainless wonder.

You need some evidence [which you do not have] in order to support your sweeping statements about anti-Semitism in the ancient world.

I didn't make sweeping statements. I stated that anti-semitism existed and was acted on. Any historian worth their degree knows this.

You are using isolated incidents and trying to claim that those incidents demonstrate wide-spread anti-Semitism. You are wrong. They don't.

and now you move on to braindead strawman arguments. Get a life girl.

I repeat again that unlike in Christian societies the Jews, as a specific group, were not constantly singled out for persecution and vilification.

I repeat again: antisemitism existed and was acted on toward Jews in harmful ways long before Christianity existed. Your attempts to insist otherwise only further show your claimed credentials are a load of hogwash.

[Cow Poke]

Congratulations! You've proved that Racism doesn't exist in the United States. After all, if it existed there's no way a mixed heritage black man could rise to become the president of the USA.

But let's not forget that Bill Clinton was the first Black President.

[CivilDiscourse]

Be careful you are making my case for me.

The fact is that an equestrian class mixed heritage Roman citizen from north Africa rose through the ranks of the army to become emperor - Septimus Severus. Nor was he the only equestrian class [middle class] individual to become emperor. Vespasian did likewise.

Freedmen [ex slaves] could also rise to positions of power - Claudius had secretaries from such backgrounds.

As far as I am aware no south Asian rose to a senior position within the English colonial service under Victoria and no African ever became the President of France in the late 19th century.

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Congratulations! You've proved that Racism doesn't exist in the United States. After all, if it existed there's no way a mixed heritage black man could rise to become the president of the USA.

[tabibito]

Be careful you are making my case for me.

The fact is that an equestrian class mixed heritage Roman citizen from north Africa rose through the ranks of the army to become emperor - Septimus Severus. Nor was he the only equestrian class [middle class] individual to become emperor. Vespasian did likewise.

Freedmen [ex slaves] could also rise to positions of power - Claudius had secretaries from such backgrounds.

As far as I am aware no south Asian rose to a senior position within the English colonial service under Victoria and no African ever became the President of France in the late 19th century.

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That hardly addresses the issue of Jews being subjected to racist treatment long before Christianity existed, a matter which has satisfactorily been confirmed. Racism is what it is, and extends from times as far back as records go. It is not a recent development, nor a uniquely European conduct, nor yet a uniquely Christian conduct.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

no, it is not. Just as it is not relevant how widespread antisemitic attitudes were in 1940s Germany to recognize that antisemitism was perpetrated at that time.

Why "1940s Germany"? Hitler came to power in 1933.

I didn't make a claim about the average Gentile of the time. I stated that antisemitism existed and was acted on before Christianity.

It was not endemic to every society, unlike in the Christian world, and it was generally sporadic only occurring when Jews, as a group, came into social or political prominence.

I don't need to know the private thoughts of the entire populace or the average Gentile to ascertain that, you buffoon. And you claim to be a historian???? What a joke.

You need some evidence [which you do not have] in order to support your sweeping statements about anti-Semitism in the ancient world.

The hell does that have to do with anything you braindead twerp? That's like saying today that because there is racism against blacks and Hispanics, anti-semitism somehow doesn't exist. Use your brain, german.

You are using isolated incidents and trying to claim that those incidents demonstrate wide-spread anti-Semitism. You are wrong. They don't.

I repeat again that unlike in Christian societies the Jews, as a specific group, were not constantly singled out for persecution and vilification.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

You forgot to mention: or what odds would you give a Jew of becoming Secretary of Commerce and Labour in America in 1906.
How often does it have to be said: exceptions don't disprove generally prevailing rules.

Be careful you are making my case for me.

The fact is that an equestrian class mixed heritage Roman citizen from north Africa rose through the ranks of the army to become emperor - Septimus Severus. Nor was he the only equestrian class [middle class] individual to become emperor. Vespasian did likewise.

Freedmen [ex slaves] could also rise to positions of power - Claudius had secretaries from such backgrounds.

As far as I am aware no south Asian rose to a senior position within the English colonial service under Victoria and no African ever became the President of France in the late 19th century.

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[Gondwanaland]

Fixed it for you.

We can only wish.

[CivilDiscourse]

She is, after all, the brightest bulb sharpest fork in the toaster.

Fixed it for you.

[Gondwanaland]

That she has summarily dismissed people far more qualified to speak on a subject than she is for an absurd reason is par for the course. But I think declaring that because he isn't a Hellenist but was born in Connecticut means that she knows more than he does has to be about the most imbecilic rationalization she has come up with to date.

Yeah I didn't even bother with the obvious idiocy of declaring that being born in CT would somehow disqualify one from being Hellenistic.

[tabibito]

The difference between Roman society and later Christian societies is that while racism clearly existed in the Roman world and no doubt some people were dreadfully so, it was not enshrined in societal mores to prevent certain races or peoples from achieving status or position.

For example, what do you think would be the likelihood for a mixed heritage middle class Frenchman from the French colonies in north Africa in the late 19th century rising through the French army and finally becoming President?

Or what odds would you give a south Asian from the Raj coming to England, getting elected as an MP, and eventually becoming Prime Minister of late Victorian England?

You forgot to mention: or what odds would you give a Jew of becoming Secretary of Commerce and Labour in America in 1906.
How often does it have to be said: exceptions don't disprove generally prevailing rules.

[Gondwanaland]

You do not want to recognise it but it is highly relevant.

no, it is not. Just as it is not relevant how widespread antisemitic attitudes were in 1940s Germany to recognize that antisemitism was perpetrated at that time.

What an ignorant comment. "We don't need to know" yet you [apparently] claim precisely that

I didn't make a claim about the average Gentile of the time. I stated that antisemitism existed and was acted on before Christianity. I don't need to know the private thoughts of the entire populace or the average Gentile to ascertain that, you buffoon. And you claim to be a historian???? What a joke.

As were other groups. The Jews were not singled out as one group for vilification and persecution across the ancient Hellenised world as they were by the later Christian world.

The hell does that have to do with anything you braindead twerp? That's like saying today that because there is racism against blacks and Hispanics, anti-semitism somehow doesn't exist. Use your brain, german.

[Cow Poke]

The difference between Roman society and later Christian societies is that while racism clearly existed in the Roman world and no doubt some people were dreadfully so, it was not enshrined in societal mores to prevent certain races or peoples from achieving status or position.

That reads like a sentence typed by somebody trying to sound knowledgeable on something they know little about, while writing a paper for a sociology class.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Even if that panned out, it would do no more than show that Jews were not alone in being subjected to racism. Nor can it be said that blacks alone were singled out for racism into the twentieth century and until the present time. Nor can it be said that whites alone engage in racism. Nor can it be said that whites have been or are exempt from being subjected to racism.

The difference between Roman society and later Christian societies is that while racism clearly existed in the Roman world and no doubt some people were dreadfully so, it was not enshrined in societal mores to prevent certain races or peoples from achieving status or position.

For example, what do you think would be the likelihood for a mixed heritage middle class Frenchman from the French colonies in north Africa in the late 19th century rising through the French army and finally becoming President?

Or what odds would you give a south Asian from the Raj coming to England, getting elected as an MP, and eventually becoming Prime Minister of late Victorian England?