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  • People who haven't experienced <X> can't force their opinions on others WRT to <X>

    The following exchange was had.

    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    What some men do not have the right to do is try and force their anti-abortion opinions on to women. [And let's be honest CP that is the one issue that gets so many men riled up].
    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

    So, is it your opinion that people who haven't experienced <X> can't force their opinions on others WRT to <X>, or is abortion a special carve out for you?
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Abortion is a complex ethical issue nor is it or "women's issues" the topic of this thread. Cow Poke made an aside to which I replied. I see no reason to continue on that topic.
    I started a thread for this topic to be discussed.

  • #2
    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
    The following exchange was had.







    I started a thread for this topic to be discussed.
    So what's your position on your thread title?
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

      So what's your position on your thread title?
      What's yours, as this question was originally pointed at you.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

        So what's your position on your thread title?

        What some men do not have the right to do is try and force their anti-abortion opinions on to women.
        It is a stupid ideal. So I can't say that rape is a moral wrong unless I experience rape? And I don't get to force my anti-rape opinions on the rapist?
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

          What's yours, as this question was originally pointed at you.
          If you are specifically referring to abortion then I would offer one caveat. When the opinions of men are enforced via legislation then abortion becomes a political football.

          I do not deny that many women are also anti-abortion but I suspect most legislatures in the USA and indeed most churches in the USA are male dominated.
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            If you are specifically referring to abortion then I would offer one caveat. When the opinions of men are enforced via legislation then abortion becomes a political football.

            I do not deny that many women are also anti-abortion but I suspect most legislatures in the USA and indeed most churches in the USA are male dominated.
            That is a non-answer.

            You said:

            What some men do not have the right to do is try and force their anti-abortion opinions on to women.

            Which the question that follows is:

            So, is it your opinion that people who haven't experienced <X> can't force their opinions on others WRT to <X>, or is abortion a special carve out for you?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

              That is a non-answer.

              You said:

              What some men do not have the right to do is try and force their anti-abortion opinions on to women.

              Which the question that follows is:

              So, is it your opinion that people who haven't experienced <X> can't force their opinions on others WRT to <X>, or is abortion a special carve out for you?
              It is an answer that qualifies my original comment. Men have no right to force their opinions [i.e. by legislation or physical force] concerning abortion on women seeking the freedom of choice.

              Men are free to express concern and their ethical views but they do not have the ethical right to prevent a woman making a decision about her own body.
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                It is an answer that qualifies my original comment. Men have no right to force their opinions [i.e. by legislation or physical force] concerning abortion on women seeking the freedom of choice.

                Men are free to express concern and their ethical views but they do not have the ethical right to prevent a woman making a decision about her own body.
                But it doesn't answer the question:

                So, is it your opinion that people who haven't experienced <X> can't force their opinions on others WRT to <X>, or is abortion a special carve out for you?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                  But it doesn't answer the question:

                  So, is it your opinion that people who haven't experienced <X> can't force their opinions on others WRT to <X>, or is abortion a special carve out for you?
                  It answers the question with specific reference to men trying to prevent [either by legislation or physical force] women seeking safe and legal abortion.
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                    It answers the question with specific reference to men trying to prevent [either by legislation or physical force] women seeking safe and legal abortion.
                    So, are you saying it's a special carve-out?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                      The following exchange was had.







                      I started a thread for this topic to be discussed.
                      It's a bogus argument quickly abandoned when inconvenient.

                      For instance, the correspondent in question has used the argument that since men can't get pregnant they should butt out of discussions concerning abortions on previous occasions. But when I pointed out that she had no trouble with it when 9 male members decided Roe v. Wade I got crickets in response.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                      • #12

                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                        So what's your position on your thread title?


                        That was actually funny!

                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                          But it doesn't answer the question:

                          So, is it your opinion that people who haven't experienced <X> can't force their opinions on others WRT to <X>, or is abortion a special carve out for you?
                          She has ZERO experience in law enforcement, yet she is rather free about challenging others who have.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            So , how come a woman gets to decide if a male fetus that she is carrying gets to live or die?
                            ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seer View Post

                              It is a stupid ideal. So I can't say that rape is a moral wrong unless I experience rape? And I don't get to force my anti-rape opinions on the rapist?
                              First time I ran across this mentality was in the60s when someone was arguing that you can't legitimately talk about drugs unless you had taken them.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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