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  • #16
    All told, the three people Rittenhouse shot were stupid. They attacked someone with a high-powered rifle - and one did so with a skateboard! That alone deserves acquittal.

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    • #17
      WARNING: some disturbing violent images.

      FBI Sat On Bombshell Footage From Kyle Rittenhouse Shooting

      On Tuesday, opening statements in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, an18-year-old aspiring police officer accused of fatally shooting two men and wounding a third on the night of Aug. 25, 2020, as BLM riots raged in the streets of Kenosha in response to a white-on-black police shooting.

      While prosecutors have slapped the teen with two counts of homicide and one count of attempted homicide, Rittenhouse has pleaded not guilty to all charges, claiming self-defense.

      Now, new footage has emerged which bolsters his case.

      Before the shooting began, Rittenhouse, 17 at the time, was had arrived in Kenosha in order to help keep order and protect businesses from looting and arson.

      "People are getting inured, and our job is to protect this business, and part of my job is also to help people. If there’s somebody hurt, I’m running into harm’s way. That’s why I have my rifle, because I need to protect myself obviously. But I also have my med kit," Rittenhouse said in footage recorded before the incident.

      During the course of the evening, protesters became increasingly violent against Rittenhouse and the group he was with - eventually chasing the teen down the street when protester Joseph Rosenbaum was shot dead in the parking lot of a used car dealership. Shortly thereafter, Rittenhouse could be seen defending himself on the ground from multiple attackers - when he fatally wounded another, and shot the bicep of protester Gaige Grosskreutz who had drawn a pistol and was in the process of aiming it at the teen.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
        All told, the three people Rittenhouse shot were stupid. They attacked someone with a high-powered rifle - and one did so with a skateboard! That alone deserves acquittal.
        Just a niggle - an AR-15 is not a high powered rifle. In fact, it's very much on the lower end (medium at best. To the point that some counties and cities (and IIRC some states) ban them for hunting large animals because they often can't kill with one shot. That's actually one reason it's popular for home defense - far less likely to go through a wall and hit someone else.

        But yeah, they mystery dude who tried to kick him but managed to just avoid getting shot, and the skateboard dude especially were dumber than a box of rocks.
        Last edited by Gondwanaland; 11-02-2021, 08:10 PM.

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        • #19
          The best video of the shooting is no longer available. The owner copyrighted it and only still frames are available through Getty Images.

          It was taken from the opposite side of the street of the most common video. I'm sure this video is being shown at the trial.

          rittenhouse.jpg

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

            Just a niggle - an AR-15 is not a high powered rifle. In fact, it's very much on the lower end (medium at best. To the point that some counties and cities (and IIRC some states) ban them for hunting large animals because they often can't kill with one shot. That's actually one reason it's popular for home defense - far less likely to go through a wall and hit someone else.

            But yeah, they mystery dude who tried to kick him but managed to just avoid getting shot, and the skateboard dude especially were dumber than a box of rocks.
            I wasn't aware of the rifle's power. I know it did a lot of damage to everyone who was hit.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by seanD View Post
              WARNING: some disturbing violent images.

              FBI Sat On Bombshell Footage From Kyle Rittenhouse Shooting
              That's not new footage. I saw that video interview back when this happened.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                I wasn't aware of the rifle's power. I know it did a lot of damage to everyone who was hit.
                Depends on the size of the projectile. A large round doesn't necessarily need a lot of power behind it to cause significant damage.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                  See end of #2
                  It still does not matter - it comes down to self defense.
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by seer View Post

                    It still does not matter - it comes down to self defense.
                    He could have just stayed away, if he wanted to defend himself. His problem is he got tooled up ready for trouble - not at all a defensive strategy. He is not law enforcement but acted as if he was.
                    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                    “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                    “not all there” - you know who you are

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post
                      He could have just stayed away, if he wanted to defend himself.
                      So the lesson you took from the Parable of the Good Samaritan is that you should cross to the other side of the road when you see someone in trouble.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post

                        He could have just stayed away, if he wanted to defend himself. His problem is he got tooled up ready for trouble - not at all a defensive strategy. He is not law enforcement but acted as if he was.
                        The mob was chasing him down the street attacking him. He was trying to "stay away" but they wouldn't let him.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                          Just a niggle - an AR-15 is not a high powered rifle. In fact, it's very much on the lower end (medium at best. To the point that some counties and cities (and IIRC some states) ban them for hunting large animals because they often can't kill with one shot. That's actually one reason it's popular for home defense - far less likely to go through a wall and hit someone else.

                          But yeah, they mystery dude who tried to kick him but managed to just avoid getting shot, and the skateboard dude especially were dumber than a box of rocks.
                          Actually, the AR-15 comes in quite a wide variety of versions and calibers, up to .50 cal. (The AR-500, which is an upgraded AR-15) But, yeah, the most common appears to be the .223, which is essentially a .22 bullet.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                            The mob was chasing him down the street attacking him. He was trying to "stay away" but they wouldn't let him.
                            If he was minding his own business, why were they chasing him? Who started the confrontation? What had he done up to that point?
                            “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                            “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                            “not all there” - you know who you are

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post

                              If he was minding his own business, why were they chasing him? Who started the confrontation? What had he done up to that point?
                              Are you suggesting that he deserved a beat down?

                              What is it with liberals and victim blaming?
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by firstfloor View Post

                                If he was minding his own business, why were they chasing him?
                                It was a mob. Mobs don't think, they just react. They saw someone running, someone chasing him, then they all dogpiled.

                                Who started the confrontation? What had he done up to that point?
                                A repeat felon was chasing him, appeared to throw a molotov cocktail at him (not sure about that), and he turned and shot him.

                                Why was the felon chasing him? I haven't heard, but no one was shot by Rittenhouse up to that point.

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