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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Another puppy story just emerged:
Dr. Anthony Fauci’s division of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) is funding an experiment at Kansas State University involving hundreds of ticks feasting on puppies injected with a mutant bacteria, alive.
The taxpayer watchdog White Coat Waste Project (WCW) obtained the revealing documents through FOIA, showing that the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, led by Fauci, gave the school $536,311 for the project this year.
The experiment involves injecting beagle puppies with mutant bacteria and subsequently allowing “up to 250 ticks feast on each of the puppies, sucking their blood for up to a week,” according to WCW.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...puppies-alive/
The research is scheduled to end in 2024.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostSame people complaining about animal experiments are complaining the vaccines haven't been tested enough. I'm curious what they think the vaccines are tested on before being given to humans.Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
There's nothing that requires animal testing to be a synonym for animal torture. It can be done humanely and without inflicting undue suffering.
It's utterly ineffective, and absurdly scientifically backward. 90 percent of medicines tested on animals end up working differently in humans, often to the wrong extremes (drugs found unsafe in animals often are effective in humans and those that indicated as safe end up being harmful). You can roll a 10 sided dice and be about as accurate in predicting the safety or efficacy of a medicine We have so many advances in science, from the use of adult stem cells to technology that can model and accurately predict the molecular behavior and interaction of drugs in the body. The only reason we seem to still do this archaic animal testing is traditionalism- a "well we've always done it to make sure things are safe, so we have to keep doing it", despite the reality. (And sorry, there is nothing humane about animal testing, no matter how some might want to fool themselves into believing otherwise)
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
White Coat Waste Project appears to be a bipartisan organization. You've got to wonder why these series of "releases" are happening now. I mean, why not a year ago or 10 months ago during an admin that was more at odds with Fauci?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
There's no need for animal testing at all.
It's utterly ineffective, and absurdly scientifically backward. 90 percent of medicines tested on animals end up working differently in humans, often to the wrong extremes (drugs found unsafe in animals often are effective in humans and those that indicated as safe end up being harmful). You can roll a 10 sided dice and be about as accurate in predicting the safety or efficacy of a medicine We have so many advances in science, from the use of adult stem cells to technology that can model and accurately predict the molecular behavior and interaction of drugs in the body. The only reason we seem to still do this archaic animal testing is traditionalism- a "well we've always done it to make sure things are safe, so we have to keep doing it", despite the reality. (And sorry, there is nothing humane about animal testing, no matter how some might want to fool themselves into believing otherwise)Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostSame people complaining about animal experiments are complaining the vaccines haven't been tested enough. I'm curious what they think the vaccines are tested on before being given to humans.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhen possible, they try to perform these toxicology tests using computer models and biochemical or cell-based (in vitro) systems instead of with animals.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
That's what should be done (we have zero need for animals in testing), but for most of testing in the US, animals are used (and in many things like approval by the FDA, required).
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
You mean problems worse than the 90 percent failure rate of animal testing? Bull.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe only place I saw that cited that number also declared that test animals suffer from long term pain and trauma and in the next sentence said animals are killed after the test. Didn't seem like a reliable source
Didn't look too hard then, I guess..... (not to mention what you stated above is not a pair of statements that is mutually exclusive - sounds a bit more like you just wanted a reason to reject the facts).
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs...051-story.html
looks like it's closer to 96 percent, possibly:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4594046/
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