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    Covid shots probably are not required. This is the thesis I am trying to share.

    Apart from the better known religious exemptions, Covid shot mandates are not allowed under Federal Law. This restriction arises firs because only Comirnaty is authorized by the FDA but is not yet available and no planned date of availability has been given.

    Only Comirnaty
    -can be required under federal or state mandates (if we even assume that shots can be required)
    -brings liability for injury upon the Pfizer/Biotech
    There are no other covid shots that have been approved by the FDA. The only shots available are experimental ones. Experimental shots cannot be mandated.

    Watch this for a broader discussion: Sage of Quay™ - Did the FDA approve the Pfizer injection? Yes or No? – https://www.bitchute.com/video/zEkbPkXAUyQM/ (23 minutes)
    The video is from August 28, 2021 but seems to be valid even through October 2021.

    This idea is not legal advice but is the result of my research:
    If you do not wish to have the supposed protection of the covid shots or you are concerned about the safety failings and efficacy problems in VAERS and other reports, the shots being pushed by employers then can be refused. If there is any question of availability of Comirnaty at an injection center or doctor's office, a person could go and then ask for the insert with the covid shots to verify which shot is being offered. It may take a signature by the people giving the shots to affirm that the only shots available are the experimental ones – maybe I have a quick note that they can sign there – or have a witness at hand. This verification should happen before signing any papers, nor should any broad liability waivers be signed.

    It certainly would help to verify that Comirnaty is not yet available before visiting an injection center or doctor's office.

    The big questions that remains are:
    -Why is the FDA (with Pfizer) playing this shell game with the public by implying that an approved shot is available?
    -Why not advertise that the approved shots are not available?
    -Is this deception really fair?
    -Is this how we want the government to act?
    -Are people who got the shots for self-protection still going to promote that others should also protect themselves?
    Last edited by mikewhitney; 10-26-2021, 11:52 PM.

  • #2
    As MM showed in another thread, in the FDA approval, "Comirnaty" also includes all of the existing non-labeled Pfizer doses still out in the field. So if it is legal to mandate "Cormirnaty" then it is already out there and available.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      As MM showed in another thread, in the FDA approval, "Comirnaty" also includes all of the existing non-labeled Pfizer doses still out in the field. So if it is legal to mandate "Cormirnaty" then it is already out there and available.
      do you have an approximate title or date of posting?

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      • #4
        All I found in a quick search of Comirnaty on this site was the text from the FDA on which I based my statement:

        I'm just telling you what the FDA paperwork says. While the authorization notice says they are the same formulation, if you read the fine print, it unambiguously identifies the laboratory name "Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine" and "Comirnaty" as separate products (the term used is "legally distinct") with each covered by its own rules for use. For example, there's this footnote at the bottom of the second page:

        Source: 1


        In the August 23, 2021 revision, FDA clarified that, subsequent to the FDA approval of COMIRNATY (COVID19 Vaccine, mRNA) for the prevention of COVID-19 for individuals 16 years of age and older, this EUA would remain in place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and uses. It also authorized COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for certain uses that are not included in the approved biologics license application (BLA). In addition, the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) was revised to provide updates on expiration dating of the authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and updated language regarding warnings and precautions related to myocarditis and pericarditis. The Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers was updated as the Vaccine Information Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers, which comprises the Fact Sheet for the authorized PfizerBioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and information about the FDA-licensed vaccine, COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA).

        © Copyright Original Source

        The statement about interchangeability appears only to address the medical sense that both products are equally harmful. Their explanation here may not have any legal validity -- only the medical advice.

        The other critical point is that none of the other covid shots can be required. So if only the Moderna experimental drug is at hand, this cannot be required of a person w/o violation of federal law.
        Last edited by mikewhitney; 10-27-2021, 12:07 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

          do you have an approximate title or date of posting?
          Yeah, Sparko's memory seems a little fuzzy. What I showed is that the FDA approval notice clearly distinguished between the experimental vaccine and the commercial product called Comorbidity Comirnaty. Also the fact that Comirnaty is currently not available in the United States and won't be for some time since there seems to be a large stock of the experimental version for which Pfizer continues to enjoy the tremendous benefits of legal immunity. While it is claimed that the formulas are identical, that doesn't explain why Pfizer has legal immunity for the one but not the other. That's the part that doesn't add up.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

            Yeah, Sparko's memory seems a little fuzzy. What I showed is that the FDA approval notice clearly distinguished between the experimental vaccine and the commercial product called Comorbidity Comirnaty. Also the fact that Comirnaty is currently not available in the United States and won't be for some time since there seems to be a large stock of the experimental version for which Pfizer continues to enjoy the tremendous benefits of legal immunity. While it is claimed that the formulas are identical, that doesn't explain why Pfizer has legal immunity for the one but not the other. That's the part that doesn't add up.
            The other issue arises. I have seen agreements that people have to sign before getting the shots. The basic content is that the extermination centers or offices are saying that they are giving these injections against their medical advice and that you will not hold them responsible for their actions. And I'm still trying to understand an aussie document that determines how a poison (SAR-COV-2 injection) is to be managed.
            Authorisation to supply or administer a poison [SARS-COV-2(COVID-19) Vaccine] – Australian Defence Force (No 7) 2021
            https://www.wa.gov.au/government/pub...orce-no-7-2021

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            • #7
              Information that I posted in another thread, but it's good to repeat it since I'm sure a lot people are simply not aware of the facts (this is a copy of a post I found in the comment section of another website):

              Informed consent is the law.

              For those who tell you that the Covid-19 injection is authorised, approved or licensed remind them of these facts, especially if they are considering that the C19 injection is a good idea for children:

              The injections are still in Stage 3 Clinical Trials that do not finish until early 2023:

              Pfizer Trials: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728

              Pfizer example short term approval terms: https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download

              The public should only begin to use drugs or vaccines that are in Stage 4 clinical trials Pfizer tells us this : https://www.pfizer.co.uk/clinical-trials

              The animal trials for coronavirus vaccines have always failed because the animals got sick and/or died :
              Studies in Ferrets : https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article…
              Cats: https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/…/60/1/60_1_49/_article
              Mice : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
              Mice: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17194199/
              Mice: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18941225/

              The initial trials were short and flawed:

              More information on the vaccines is shown in the links below:


              Pfizer Trials
              https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/…/6018018e4b1729f3251e4281_…


              Covid-19 Injection information leaflet
              https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/…/6006c4e4ccf7a9074538c6ad_…

              What is the latest scientific evidence saying on the efficacy/ effectiveness of these Vaccines:
              Absolute Risk Reduction i.e. the true impact that the injection itself was shown to have at reducing your chances of getting sick with Covid-19 was just 0.84% for Pfizer and 1.28% for AZ (per the Lancet study linked below).
              Link https://www.thelancet.com/…/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069…/fulltext

              The injections have numerous serious and fatal short term side effects and no long term safety data If the injections don’t work on “the variants” (given people are still getting sick and dying and indeed in increasing numbers) , why continue to inject people with these same experimental injections that has shown themselves not to work?
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Information that I posted in another thread, but it's good to repeat it since I'm sure a lot people are simply not aware of the facts (this is a copy of a post I found in the comment section of another website):

                Informed consent is the law.

                For those who tell you that the Covid-19 injection is authorised, approved or licensed remind them of these facts, especially if they are considering that the C19 injection is a good idea for children:

                The injections are still in Stage 3 Clinical Trials that do not finish until early 2023:

                Pfizer Trials: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728

                Pfizer example short term approval terms: https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download

                The public should only begin to use drugs or vaccines that are in Stage 4 clinical trials Pfizer tells us this : https://www.pfizer.co.uk/clinical-trials

                The animal trials for coronavirus vaccines have always failed because the animals got sick and/or died :
                Studies in Ferrets : https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article…
                Cats: https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/…/60/1/60_1_49/_article
                Mice : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
                Mice: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17194199/
                Mice: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18941225/

                The initial trials were short and flawed:

                More information on the vaccines is shown in the links below:


                Pfizer Trials
                https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/…/6018018e4b1729f3251e4281_…


                Covid-19 Injection information leaflet
                https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/…/6006c4e4ccf7a9074538c6ad_…

                What is the latest scientific evidence saying on the efficacy/ effectiveness of these Vaccines:
                Absolute Risk Reduction i.e. the true impact that the injection itself was shown to have at reducing your chances of getting sick with Covid-19 was just 0.84% for Pfizer and 1.28% for AZ (per the Lancet study linked below).
                Link https://www.thelancet.com/…/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069…/fulltext

                The injections have numerous serious and fatal short term side effects and no long term safety data If the injections don’t work on “the variants” (given people are still getting sick and dying and indeed in increasing numbers) , why continue to inject people with these same experimental injections that has shown themselves not to work?
                P sure this is against tweb rules. If you want to discuss something at a link, discuss it. Quote specific parts you find relevant. Don't just post a whole bunch of links to nonsense.
                "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post

                  P sure this is against tweb rules. If you want to discuss something at a link, discuss it. Quote specific parts you find relevant. Don't just post a whole bunch of links to nonsense.
                  How is it any different than posting an article? And how are the links "nonsense" when they point to official government and company sources?

                  But, sure, feel free to stick your fingers in your ears and report it if you think I'm violating tWeb rules.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Information that I posted in another thread, but it's good to repeat it since I'm sure a lot people are simply not aware of the facts (this is a copy of a post I found in the comment section of another website):

                    Informed consent is the law.

                    For those who tell you that the Covid-19 injection is authorised, approved or licensed remind them of these facts, especially if they are considering that the C19 injection is a good idea for children:

                    The injections are still in Stage 3 Clinical Trials that do not finish until early 2023:

                    Pfizer Trials: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728

                    Pfizer example short term approval terms: https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download

                    The public should only begin to use drugs or vaccines that are in Stage 4 clinical trials Pfizer tells us this : https://www.pfizer.co.uk/clinical-trials

                    The animal trials for coronavirus vaccines have always failed because the animals got sick and/or died :
                    Studies in Ferrets : https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article…
                    Cats: https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/…/60/1/60_1_49/_article
                    Mice : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
                    Mice: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17194199/
                    Mice: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18941225/

                    The initial trials were short and flawed:
                    . . .
                    The injections have numerous serious and fatal short term side effects and no long term safety data If the injections don’t work on “the variants” (given people are still getting sick and dying and indeed in increasing numbers) , why continue to inject people with these same experimental injections that has shown themselves not to work?
                    Thanks. That is good information.

                    Another critical point in light of the animal studies is that the vaccines (and rna devices) for coronavirus have only had bad results in the pre-2020 attempts to make these. Somehow in 2020 there have been not only 1 covid shot but about 20 covid shots that somehow overcame the problems with earlier studies. How did all the problems get resolved suddenly in 2020 with so many variations?

                    I think another issue to approach companies requiring covid shots is whether they will contract with you so they will assume all medical expenses for any injury or disability you have that starts within 2 years of getting the shots. It is not right or reasonable for companies to require this shot without obligating themselves to the results of their policy.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post

                      P sure this is against tweb rules. If you want to discuss something at a link, discuss it. Quote specific parts you find relevant. Don't just post a whole bunch of links to nonsense.
                      I have no qualms with MountainMan's post of information related to the thread. He has not posted something in opposition to what I noted and thus has not argued against my point improperly by posting a link.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                        I have seen agreements that people have to sign before getting the shots. The basic content is that the extermination centers or offices are saying that they are giving these injections against their medical advice and that you will not hold them responsible for their actions.
                        You've seen these documents with your own eyes, or is this something you've read about online? Because it's the first I've heard of this. Do have any pictures or a link to more information?
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

                          Thanks. That is good information.

                          Another critical point in light of the animal studies is that the vaccines (and rna devices) for coronavirus have only had bad results in the pre-2020 attempts to make these. Somehow in 2020 there have been not only 1 covid shot but about 20 covid shots that somehow overcame the problems with earlier studies. How did all the problems get resolved suddenly in 2020 with so many variations?

                          I think another issue to approach companies requiring covid shots is whether they will contract with you so they will assume all medical expenses for any injury or disability you have that starts within 2 years of getting the shots. It is not right or reasonable for companies to require this shot without obligating themselves to the results of their policy.
                          The narrative making the rounds is that vaccines -- as in all vaccines ever -- don't have long-term negative effects, and that if you don't experience any problems within a week or two of getting "The Jab" then there's nothing to worry about. Here's one example which declares that "we’ve never seen a vaccination with long-term side effects, meaning side effects that occur several months or years after injection."

                          https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/c...m-side-effects
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                            How is it any different than posting an article?
                            If you don't comment and just post, it shouldn't be.

                            And how are the links "nonsense" when they point to official government and company sources?
                            Your commentary is nonsense. Sometimes blatantly so. IE:

                            "The animal trials for coronavirus vaccines have always failed because the animals got sick and/or died :"

                            Obviously just an attempt to poison the well, as if technology doesn't advance and this is somehow meaningful in this case.

                            But, sure, feel free to stick your fingers in your ears and report it if you think I'm violating tWeb rules.
                            Ok, I'll go ahead and do just that.
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                              The narrative making the rounds is that vaccines -- as in all vaccines ever -- don't have long-term negative effects, and that if you don't experience any problems within a week or two of getting "The Jab" then there's nothing to worry about. Here's one example which declares that "we’ve never seen a vaccination with long-term side effects, meaning side effects that occur several months or years after injection."

                              https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/c...m-side-effects

                              This is correct. Marginally educated people understand you can't be hurt by something that isn't in your system anymore, but the know nothings, to whom the sky is the limit, will believe just about anything.

                              It's possible for something (including vaccines) to do damage while they're active and for that damage to get worse over time, but again, that damage would still start while the vaccine is in your system.
                              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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