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  • #31
    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

    No, it has the moral force of the Constitution of the United States. The one stamping their foot and bawling is you, over a simple change to make something no longer violate the constitutional rights of someone that holds beliefs other than yours.
    There's nothing unconstitutional about it because no reasonable person would consider the phrase "so help me God" to constitute a religious test, nor could any atheist be reasonably accused of perjury for saying it. It's an absurd objection that should have been tossed out by a judge, but common sense and reasonable interpretations of the law seem to no longer exist in our courtrooms.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

      That is interesting. Concerning the ineligibility of atheists to stand for office and your recollection that some state constitutions contain[ed] such clauses, does a state's constitution take precedence over the US Constitution?
      The U.S. Constitution is the highest law of the land.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Enforcement is a separate issue. IIRC, several states still have laws making atheists ineligible for elected office on the books (IIRC it was in some state constitutions as well). It goes back to having so %#@$# many laws (see my post concerning clotheslines and carrying ice cream cones).
        Considering the moral depravity of our current society, I'm not certain that keeping atheists out of elected office really qualifies as a %#@$# law. The United States was much better off when belief in God was taken for granted.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

          There's nothing unconstitutional about it because no reasonable person would consider the phrase "so help me God" to constitute a religious test, nor could any atheist be reasonably accused of perjury for saying it. It's an absurd objection that should have been tossed out by a judge, but common sense and reasonable interpretations of the law seem to no longer exist in our courtrooms.
          It is plainly unconstitutional.

          And had you bothered to read, signing the form while lying would make you guilty of perjury..

          I'm not sure why you're throwing such a fit about something being corrected that was plainly unconstitutional and was preventing people from exercising their rights.. but them, rights fall by the wayside when Christians want their religion enshrined in government I guess, so its not that surprising. Get over yourselves - this is a secular country not a theocracy.
          Last edited by Gondwanaland; 10-25-2021, 12:16 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

            Considering the moral depravity of our current society, I'm not certain that keeping atheists out of elected office really qualifies as a %#@$# law. The United States was much better off when belief in God was taken for granted.
            Go find a country without rights and protections where you can institute and practice your theocracy. This one ain't it, son, I didn't fight for and serve this country and put my life on on line so pompous Theocratic twits like you could deny me basic rights because I don't believe in your deity.

            And you want to talk moral depravity, I suggest you and your Christian faith take a damn long look in the mirror with your prevalence of pedophiles and rapists among your leadership.
            Last edited by Gondwanaland; 10-25-2021, 12:17 PM.

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            • #36
              Atheists In Alabama No Longer Have To Swear Oath To God To Vote...

              Country is going to hell!
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #37
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                Atheists In Alabama No Longer Have To Swear Oath To God To Vote...

                Country is going to hell!
                Really? Why so?
                When inventing a god, it is imperative to claim that it's; invisible, inaudible and imperceptible in every way. Otherwise - when it appears to no one, is silent and does nothing - intelligent people are liable to become sceptical.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Atheists In Alabama No Longer Have To Swear Oath To God To Vote...

                  Country is going to hell!
                  Because unconstitutional things were changed to no longer be unconstitutional? There's a reason the state quickly changed things after a federal suit was filed. They knew even with a very conservative SCOTUS that their policy would be struck down.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Markus River View Post

                    Really? Why so?
                    Pray to Jesus, repent - then you will understand....
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post


                      Because unconstitutional things were changed to no longer be unconstitutional? There's a reason the state quickly changed things after a federal suit was filed. They knew even with a very conservative SCOTUS that their policy would be struck down.
                      For the worse!
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by seer View Post

                        For the worse!
                        If you reject the constitution, sure. If that's the case I'm sure there's some backwater country you can move to.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                          As for Christians who believe it is taking God's name in vain, they need some better exegesis. That passage is talking about using God's name in an irreverent or insincere manner.
                          From the IVP OT Bible Background Commentary:

                          "As the second commandment concerned the issue of exercising power over God, the third turns its attention to exercising God’s power over others. This commandment does not refer to blasphemy or foul language. Rather it is intended to prevent the exploitation of the name of Yahweh for magical purposes or hexing. It also continues the concerns of the second commandment in that someone’s name was believed to be intimately connected to that person’s being and essence. The giving of one’s name was an act of favor, trust and, in human terms, vulnerability. Israel was not to attempt to use Yahweh’s name in magical ways to manipulate him. The commandment was also intended to insure that the use of Yahweh’s name in oaths, vows and treaties was taken seriously."

                          From the NET Bible notes:

                          "The command prohibits use of the name for any idle, frivolous, or insincere purpose (S. R. Driver, Exodus, 196). This would include perjury, pagan incantations, or idle talk. The name is to be treated with reverence and respect because it is the name of the holy God."
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                            If you reject the constitution, sure. If that's the case I'm sure there's some backwater country you can move to.
                            Really? Where do our rights come from? The State or God?
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                              That is interesting. Concerning the ineligibility of atheists to stand for office and your recollection that some state constitutions contain[ed] such clauses, does a state's constitution take precedence over the US Constitution?
                              No, and the 14th Amendment made explicit that the protections outlined in the U.S. Constitution could not be overridden by any of the States.

                              OTOH, the 10th Amendment specifies that any power not explicitly granted to the U.S. government by the Constitution is instead held by the States or the people. (But this one has been largely vitiated by SCOTUS rulings over the centuries.)

                              Prior to the 14th Amendment, due to the narrow phrasing of the First Amendment, it would have been technically permissible in terms of the Constitution to have laws such as the one in question, or even official State churches.
                              Last edited by NorrinRadd; 10-25-2021, 03:09 PM.
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                              Beige Federalist.

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                              Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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                              Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                              Justice for Matthew Perna!

                              Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by seer View Post

                                Really? Where do our rights come from? The State or God?
                                Neither. They are inherent.

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