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  • #31
    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Reagardless of the truth of the accusation, is that a valid excuse?
    It's valid enough for me to want to avoid any discussion with you about politics, in partular.

    But to the accusation: that is a false perception on your part.
    I'm not alone, Jim - you're in a bubble full of confirmation bias fueled by your obsession with your hatred for all things Trump.

    I push back against falsehoods I see propagating on this website, regardless of which 'party' is pushing them.
    I'm sure you believe that, but I'm probably not the only one who does not.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      You obviously haven't been paying attention. There are hundreds of sworn affidavits from eye witnesses across the country attesting to voter fraud, statements for which the individuals could be charged with perjury if they are found to be lying, so not something to be taken lightly.
      Not really. I'll take them seriously when they are submitted to a court and the court finds them credible. That doesn't seem very likely at this late date.

      Of course the way the system is set up -- which has already been discussed -- there's no way to follow up on those affidavits because the mechanism for cataloging precisely who cast a vote and for whom does not exist by design. What you have is a list of names, a stack of ballots, and a vote total. If there are more ballots than names, or more votes counted than there are ballots -- which seems to be the usual scenario in Democrat precincts -- then this is strong evidence that fraud was committed, but what are we supposed to do about it? How are we supposed to identify which ballots are fraudulent and the person(s) responsible for casting or counting them?
      If there was a way to match voters to ballots, it wouldn't be a secret ballot.

      It's common for the count of voters to be slightly different from the count of ballots, since they are being counted by human beings, and human beings make mistakes. If you want to claim that there was ever a significant difference between the counts, feel free to document it.

      Here's a comprehensive breakdown of the "irregularities" that happened during the 2020 election:

      https://thenewamerican.com/widesprea...th-or-reality/

      So it's not a question of if fraud was committed but to what extent, and because of the way the system is designed, we will almost certainly never get a definitive answer.
      So you're going to just ignore all the court cases where this "evidence" could have been introduced if it was any good?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

        Please see Post #24.
        For you and millions like you, democracy has failed, and you are primed and ready for the one-party state - the Trumpist Christo-Neo-Fascist Republican State, which is guaranteed to hate all the minorities that you hate. This is what counts as happiness in your book.
        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
        “not all there” - you know who you are

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          It's valid enough for me to want to avoid any discussion with you about politics, in partular.



          I'm not alone, Jim - you're in a bubble full of confirmation bias fueled by your obsession with your hatred for all things Trump.



          I'm sure you believe that, but I'm probably not the only one who does not.
          You know, I suppose I could spend post after post detailing your faults as I see them CP. But I'm not. And that is because I'm not like you. And that is something I can say - this case at least - I'm glad is true. Though I know you do also have many good qualities.

          lI would also appeal to your desire to please Christ that you not follow this path any further. It is an absolute disgrace and shame to the name of Christ we both love.


          Have a good day.
          Last edited by oxmixmudd; 10-25-2021, 06:12 AM.
          My 'faith' designation is 'Christian'. But I do not want the label "Christian" leading to mockery of faith in Christ. Consequently, I apologize if words of mine written in this post or others reflect poorly on the what Faith in Christ means, or what Faith in Christ can in fact do in terms of bringing Grace, Mercy, and Love into the world.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

            You know, I suppose I could spend post after post detailing your faults as I see them CP. But I'm not. And that is because I'm not like you. And that is something I can say - this case at least - I'm glad is true. Though I know you do also have many good qualities.

            lI would also appeal to your desire to please Christ that you not follow this path any further. It is an absolute disgrace and shame to the name of Christ we both love.


            Have a good day.
            I will apologize for the snarkiness. But cp - if you wish to continue this line of personal attacks, you'll have to proceed without me.
            My 'faith' designation is 'Christian'. But I do not want the label "Christian" leading to mockery of faith in Christ. Consequently, I apologize if words of mine written in this post or others reflect poorly on the what Faith in Christ means, or what Faith in Christ can in fact do in terms of bringing Grace, Mercy, and Love into the world.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

              Not to mention widespread "irregularities" (like thousands of unfolded ballots that were supposedly mailed in, or ballots that only voted Joe and left the down ballot blank, even video of people wheeling in thousands of ballots from who knows where to be added to the total) for which there is no remedy because the system leaves no paper trail by design, supposedly to protect voters' privacy, so even though we have obvious, documented cases of what anybody with common sense knows is fraud, we can't prove it because there is no mechanism in the system by which the incriminating evidence can be collected.

              This could be solved in one-fell swoop if it was made a law that voting was to be done in-person only with a photo ID on voting day, but Democrats, of course, are strenuously opposed to any such idea.
              One of the things that old Joe declared was "Jim Crow 2.0" here in Georgia is that drop off ballot boxes now have to be monitored and can't just be placed anywhere. Even something as obviously common sense as that was bitterly opposed by the Democrats.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                Please see Post #16.
                There is also the issue that every single "glitch" that was detected just happened to favor the Democrats. Statistically speaking the chances of that are very small indeed.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                  I think the problem is that it's very easy to claim without evidence that, for example, there were "thousands of unfolded ballots that were supposedly mailed in", or that there is "video of people wheeling in thousands of ballots from who knows where to be added to the total". It makes it a little hard to investigate the claims.

                  Also, it is not illegal (and hardly surprising) for some people to vote against Trump and leave the rest of the ballot blank.
                  I think it was the local NBC affiliate that showed video from across the street of an unattended ballot box getting stuffed near Atlanta, but there is really no way to determine which ballots in it are legitimate and which aren't. IIRC, it was dismissed as unimportant because they figure it was only a couple dozen phony ballots.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                    This is what was claimed in more than 60 court cases, none of which made it much past the front door.
                    That's because any cases brought to court before the election were dismissed as lacking standing because the election hadn't happened yet, and therefore the plaintiffs had suffered no harm, and any cases brought after were dismissed on basis that the election had already happened, and therefore the plaintiff's objections were moot. I get the sense that no judge wanted to give the appearance of interfering with the election even if they had to deny due process in order to keep up that appearance. As it sands, the evidence pointing to election fraud has never gotten a full hearing in court, which is a travesty.
                    Last edited by Mountain Man; 10-25-2021, 07:53 AM.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post
                      For you and millions like you, democracy has failed, and you are primed and ready for the one-party state - the Trumpist Christo-Neo-Fascist Republican State...
                      I already have the bumper stickers printed up and everything.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                        If there was a way to match voters to ballots, it wouldn't be a secret ballot.
                        And, as I pointed out, secret ballots are a fatal flaw in the system because when there are significant discrepancies between the number of voters, the number of ballots cast, and the number of votes counted, there is currently no way to determine which of those ballots are fraudulent. If every vote could be traced back to the individual who cast it, that would plug a big hole in our voting system.

                        And the best part is, this is a wholly bipartisan issue, because a secure voting system benefits everybody, regardless of political party.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Reepicheep View Post
                          An interesting story out of Texas. After the November election, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (a Republican) offered an award of up to one million dollars to any person who uncovered evidence of voter fraud. Well, Patrick just made his first payment. It was made to a Democrat in Pennsylvania, who received $25,000 for proving that a registered Republican tried to vote twice. After casting a legal vote, Ralph Thurman apparently put on sunglasses and a baseball cap and tried to vote a second time. Fortunately, a poll worker named Eric Frank saw through Thurman's clever disguise and reported him to the authorities.

                          This is easy money. I wonder why more Americans haven't come forward with evidence of election fraud.

                          https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/22/polit...ard/index.html

                          I conclude with a quote from Trump:

                          “When people get in line that have absolutely no right to vote and they go around in circles. Sometimes they go to their car, put on a different hat, put on a different shirt, come in and vote again."

                          Turns out Trump was right...
                          So apparently voter ID is a good thing then, eh?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                            Reagardless of the truth of the accusation, is that a valid excuse?

                            But to the accusation: that is a false perception on your part. I push back against falsehoods I see propagating on this website, regardless of which 'party' is pushing them.


                            No you don't. You 'push back' against anything that is remotely linked to Trump in any positive regard.

                            Not a peep as far as I have seen about the current President's many very dubious activities.

                            Juvie 'attacked' CP, not a peep from you, it's CP who is the one being aggressive.



                            Effectively you've become a Democrat troll. Sad.

                            ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by firstfloor View Post

                              For you and millions like you, democracy has failed, and you are primed and ready for the one-party state - the Trumpist Christo-Neo-Fascist Republican State, which is guaranteed to hate all the minorities that you hate. This is what counts as happiness in your book.
                              Ironic coming from someone who supports the side trying to "fix" elections so that they are never voted out of power ever again.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by firstfloor View Post

                                For you and millions like you, democracy has failed, and you are primed and ready for the one-party state - the Trumpist Christo-Neo-Fascist Republican State, which is guaranteed to hate all the minorities that you hate. This is what counts as happiness in your book.
                                Your projection is showing again.

                                IF such a thing were ever to come about, at least you can have the satisfaction that you did everything within your power to make it more likely to happen. Keep on trolling, it makes your dream more probable....
                                ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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