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  • A new CDC study out today found the vaccine is 5x more effective than previously having had Covid at preventing future hospitalization from Covid.

    Infection-Induced vs mRNA Vaccine-Induced SARS-CoV-2 Immunity
    [Covid] hospitalizations among adults aged ≥18 years whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, the adjusted odds... among unvaccinated adults with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection were 5.49-fold higher than the odds among fully vaccinated recipients of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine who had no previous documented infection

    [Therefore] All eligible persons should be vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as possible, including unvaccinated persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      A new CDC study out today found the vaccine is 5x more effective than previously having had Covid at preventing future hospitalization from Covid.

      Infection-Induced vs mRNA Vaccine-Induced SARS-CoV-2 Immunity
      [Covid] hospitalizations among adults aged ≥18 years whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, the adjusted odds... among unvaccinated adults with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection were 5.49-fold higher than the odds among fully vaccinated recipients of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine who had no previous documented infection

      [Therefore] All eligible persons should be vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as possible, including unvaccinated persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.
      Oh, the CDC did a study? The ones trying to push vaccines into everyone moving. I'm sure they don't have a bias going on.

      Is that the same CDC that has essentially stopped tracking breakthrough cases wrt vaccines? Yeah, super believable data there. Uh-huh.

      https://www.propublica.org/article/t...as-cases-surge

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      • Meanwhile:
        Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

        Meanwhile, vaccinated are just as likely to spread delta variant as unvaccinated in their household:
        https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ccinated-study

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        • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
          Meanwhile:
          And that would be why we do research instead of relying on a scientist's 'best guess'. Science is about testing a hypothesis, not basing our opinions on what we think ought to be true - even if we are ourselves a scientist.
          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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          • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

            Oh, the CDC did a study? The ones trying to push vaccines into everyone moving. I'm sure they don't have a bias going on.

            Is that the same CDC that has essentially stopped tracking breakthrough cases wrt vaccines? Yeah, super believable data there. Uh-huh.

            https://www.propublica.org/article/t...as-cases-surge
            The CDC has done a really lousy job in general of accurately tracking the China flu, having changed the "official" methodology and criteria multiple times since early 2020. I don't know how it's possible to sift through such a disparate pile of data and arrive at any meaningful conclusions.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

              Sorry, but your assertion about colds and coronaviruses is incorrect.
              And people say that I pick nits. Ok.

              It was generous of MM to repeat his ignorant reference to "... common coronaviruses like yearly colds and flus". Neither rhinoviruses (which cause most colds) nor influenza viruses (which cause flu) are coronaviruses.

              Happy?
              Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

              MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
              MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
              MM on climate change: Looking at the historical temperature data in my region over the past ten years shows that temperatures have been stable ...

              mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

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              • New Zealand Prime Minster Arden was recently challenged by a member of the public, a medical professional, to justify her China flu and vaccine policies despite evidence that such measures do little if anything to mitigate the spread of the China flu as shown in places like Israel and England. She immediately ended the press conference and asked that it be moved to a private location where only "accredited" members of the media (presumably with pre-screened questions) would be allowed to attend.

                https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ted-on-camera/
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                  And people say that I pick nits. Ok.

                  It was generous of MM to repeat his ignorant reference to "... common coronaviruses like yearly colds and flus". Neither rhinoviruses (which cause most colds) nor influenza viruses (which cause flu) are coronaviruses.

                  Happy?

                  Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans.
                  http://www.emro.who.int/health-topic...%20in%20humans.


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                  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                    Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans.
                    http://www.emro.who.int/health-topic...%20in%20humans.
                    He's just being his usual pedantic self taking issue with referring to a virus as the disease instead of specifying that the virus causes the disease.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      New Zealand Prime Minster Arden was recently challenged by a member of the public, a medical professional, to justify her China flu and vaccine policies despite evidence that such measures do little if anything to mitigate the spread of the China flu as shown in places like Israel and England. She immediately ended the press conference and asked that it be moved to a private location where only "accredited" members of the media (presumably with pre-screened questions) would be allowed to attend.

                      https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ted-on-camera/
                      There were at least two nutbars heckling for several minutes who kept talking over the PM, as can be seen in the wider video shot here.

                      Your "brave truth teller" was just a mentally deranged nutbar, like yourself.


                      P.S. What's with your nutty claim that it was this linked person ("a medical professional") doing the heckling? That person is on the other side of the world. How do you make this stuff up? A bit of searching through NZ sources says the heckler in your video has been identified as American "Shane Chafin, from a far right media platform that spouts conspiracy theories", part of Steve Bannon's "Counterspin Media".
                      Last edited by Starlight; 11-02-2021, 03:46 PM.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                        There were at least two nutbars heckling for several minutes who kept talking over the PM, as can be seen in the wider video shot here.

                        Your "brave truth teller" was just a mentally deranged nutbar, like yourself.


                        P.S. What's with your nutty claim that it was this linked person ("a medical professional") doing the heckling? That person is on the other side of the world. How do you make this stuff up?
                        Sorry, the story mentioned a pharmacist was the one asking questions that the prime minister refused to answer before scurrying indoors away from the public, and I thought the individual who posted a link to his Twitter comment was the same person. I apologize for the confusion.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • This is why some of us laugh when we're told to "trust the science":

                          TechnoFog submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to see what was happening inside the CDC, as they discussed needing to change the definitions of “vaccine” and “vaccination” in order to get past the problematic issue of their supported products not actually providing immunity from the COVID-19 virus or any variant thereof.

                          Within the internal emails [SEE HERE], the officials within the health industry knew they had a problem because their push to vaccinate everyone would not generate any immunity from the virus itself.

                          Rather than deal with the problem of a non-effective vaccine, the officials discussed, modified and then eventually just changed the definition of what a vaccine is intended to do:

                          cdc-changing-definition-of-vaccine.jpg

                          https://theconservativetreehouse.com...be-vaccinated/
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                            Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans.
                            http://www.emro.who.int/health-topic...%20in%20humans.
                            What's your point? (Other than to successfully confuse MM even more than he was already).
                            Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                            MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                            MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
                            MM on climate change: Looking at the historical temperature data in my region over the past ten years shows that temperatures have been stable ...

                            mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

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                            • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                              What's your point? (Other than to successfully confuse MM even more than he was already).
                              My point was that your statement was inaccurate.

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                              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                My point was that your statement was inaccurate.
                                How so?

                                If you show me the inaccuracy I'll correct it, as I did in response to NorrinRadd.

                                I note that neither him nor you have confirmed that flu is not caused by coronavirus.
                                Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                                MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                                MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
                                MM on climate change: Looking at the historical temperature data in my region over the past ten years shows that temperatures have been stable ...

                                mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

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