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Colin Powell Dies Of Covid Complications

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  • Juvenal
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    I've had a weather eye out for signs of folks saying, nope, not too soon, and it seems like Maureen Dowd has decided to be first to light the path. I kinda hated her for all the right reasons already — because I'll never be able to write as well as she does — and this stokes that fire.

    Colin Powell and ‘Guernica’
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    WASHINGTON — If we could unlock the puzzle of Colin Powell, maybe we could understand why America cracked up.

    General Powell was the best America had to offer. He was the son of Jamaican immigrants in the South Bronx who became a hero in Vietnam and then the first African American secretary of state.

    He was smart and charismatic, with an easy laugh and a Corvette Stingray. At Washington parties, even ones where Jack Nicholson dropped in, people gravitated toward Powell.

    You can see where that's going.



    And no, cause ya asked, you didn't actually need to google up Guernica.
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    Powell should have paid more attention to his Rule No. 8: “Check small things.”

    When U.N. officials covered up a tapestry of Picasso’s antiwar masterpiece, “Guernica,” before his speech, Powell should have checked that small thing. The discordance of the secretary of state selling the bombing of Iraq in front of the shrouded image of shrieking and mutilated women, men, children, bulls and horses spoke volumes.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
    how the hell is that "wrong"? Breakthrough infections can and do happen and those individuals can and do pass on covid, you utter walnut. Are you now denying the existence of breakthrough infections, science denier?

    I know you struggle with understanding simple English, but try to grasp what I wrote, instead of kneejerking like a dense twit.
    What is wrong G is that you are talking single instance wrt individuals, and FF is talking statistically within a population.

    If 100 people get sick that are unvaccinated, less that 10 of them will get sick if they are vaccinated. Thus there is less virus in circulation. 10x less. So even if individual cases produce equal amounts of virus, when people are vaccinated there is still 90% less virus circulating in the population.

    When it comes to a virus with an R factor < 10, that 10 fold reduction in transmissability in the fully vaccinated population still means the virus can't spread enough to survive.

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  • Starlight
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    So go get it. What's stopping you?
    A third dose isn't available to me in my country yet. Hopefully that will change in future. I will take a third dose the moment it's available to me, just as I did for the first dose.

    But I don't NEED to. My immunity is sufficient to ward off reinfection for a pretty substantial time. And my body has proven that it can fight it off effectively.
    Your current immunity level gives reasonable resistance to infection. Reinfection could still occur for you, and then other people could catch it off you, and then they could die from that. To protect those around you, it is worth increasing your own immunity levels as much as possible, to reduce the risk as much as possible of you getting reinfected and then killing someone by spreading covid from you to them. I know I would feel terrible for the rest of my life if I were to kill a family member or friend in such a way by not taking a simple precaution such as vaccination to reduce the risk of doing that to the extent that I could.

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  • JimboJSR
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    That's now how it works. ADE is caused when an antibody is formed that actually enhances a virus's ability to infect a cell. It's an aberrant antibody caused by a defective vaccine that rather than blocking the virus, it makes it "better" at infecting a cell. It doesn't mean your body becomes "dependent" on antibodies, or has too many antibodies. If it were going to happen they would have noticed it happening already, but it doesn't happen.
    Yup. MILLIONS of doses, with many in the UK now getting their third dose. No sign of ADE.

    ADE ain't happening.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

    No, you showed that it has (maybe) not happened yet. We're just now getting to three and four shots.
    That's now how it works. ADE is caused when an antibody is formed that actually enhances a virus's ability to infect a cell. It's an aberrant antibody caused by a defective vaccine that rather than blocking the virus, it makes it "better" at infecting a cell. It doesn't mean your body becomes "dependent" on antibodies, or has too many antibodies. If it were going to happen they would have noticed it happening already, but it doesn't happen.

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  • Gondwanaland
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    If you are talking about Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) I have already shown you that does not happen with COVID vaccines.

    Source: https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/antibody-dependent-enhancement-in-vaccines

    Question:

    Do COVID-19 vaccines cause antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), also known as vaccine enhanced disease (VED)?

    Answered by infectious diseases expert Nada Fadul, MD:
    Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) is something researchers watch for very carefully and is extremely rare. In ADE, certain antibodies make it easier for viruses to get into cells. This is bad because it would mean a virus or a vaccine makes people more at risk for severe disease.

    If COVID-19 vaccines caused ADE, people who are vaccinated against COVID-19 would have more severe disease. This is not happening. On the contrary, people who are vaccinated typically have very mild disease or none at all. In fact, the majority of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. are people who aren't fully vaccinated. In May, fully vaccinated people made up just 0.8% of COVID-19 deaths. That means 99.2% of COVID-19 deaths were in unvaccinated people.

    The COVID-19 vaccines are safe. More than 155 million people in the United States are fully vaccinated. The COVID-19 vaccines protect you from severe disease and death. Get your vaccine today.

    A note for concerned parents: Zero vaccines given today cause ADE. An older measles vaccine and a respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) vaccine were removed from use after showing evidence of causing ADE. A dengue virus vaccine causing ADE was also discontinued for young children.

    © Copyright Original Source




    No, you showed that it has (maybe) not happened yet. We're just now getting to three and four shots.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

    No, it would simply increase his antibody levels, and potentially lead to antibody dependence issues.
    If you are talking about Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) I have already shown you that does not happen with COVID vaccines.

    Source: https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/antibody-dependent-enhancement-in-vaccines

    Question:

    Do COVID-19 vaccines cause antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), also known as vaccine enhanced disease (VED)?

    Answered by infectious diseases expert Nada Fadul, MD:
    Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) is something researchers watch for very carefully and is extremely rare. In ADE, certain antibodies make it easier for viruses to get into cells. This is bad because it would mean a virus or a vaccine makes people more at risk for severe disease.

    If COVID-19 vaccines caused ADE, people who are vaccinated against COVID-19 would have more severe disease. This is not happening. On the contrary, people who are vaccinated typically have very mild disease or none at all. In fact, the majority of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. are people who aren't fully vaccinated. In May, fully vaccinated people made up just 0.8% of COVID-19 deaths. That means 99.2% of COVID-19 deaths were in unvaccinated people.

    The COVID-19 vaccines are safe. More than 155 million people in the United States are fully vaccinated. The COVID-19 vaccines protect you from severe disease and death. Get your vaccine today.

    A note for concerned parents: Zero vaccines given today cause ADE. An older measles vaccine and a respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) vaccine were removed from use after showing evidence of causing ADE. A dengue virus vaccine causing ADE was also discontinued for young children.

    © Copyright Original Source





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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    It is about people choosing to be negligent and harming others.
    Begging the question. It is not negligent to make an informed decision to not get a risky vaccine that was rushed through production, has questionable benefits, and carries with it a number of serious negative side effects. I have no problem if someone wishes to accept that risk themselves (assuming they have been properly informed), but it would be immoral to mandate that others accept that risk against their will.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Indeed my take is excellent, as might be expected from a scientist. I would love to get a 3rd dose of the vaccine.
    So go get it. What's stopping you?

    You yourself are in an enviable position of having survived covid and can thus now get two doses of the vaccine yourself and thus achieve very very strong immunity to it.
    But I don't NEED to. My immunity is sufficient to ward off reinfection for a pretty substantial time. And my body has proven that it can fight it off effectively.

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  • Starlight
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    So what you are saying is that my and your current levels of immunity are insufficient... good take
    Indeed my take is excellent, as might be expected from a scientist. I would love to get a 3rd dose of the vaccine.

    You yourself are in an enviable position of having survived covid and can thus now get two doses of the vaccine yourself and thus achieve very very strong immunity to it.
    Last edited by Starlight; 10-22-2021, 12:41 AM.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

    You can't seem to keep your story straight.
    My story is straight. It's your comments that are confused.

    However, you would do better to focus on the ideas rather than trying to discredit the person. After all, isn't the point to show that your ideas are correct? Focussing on discrediting the person who disagrees with your ideas mostly means you can't defend your ideas.

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  • Gondwanaland
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

    'I' am not the government

    I am for vaccine mandates. I am NOT for individual citizens tying people up and giving them shots.

    The issue is not about people choosing to take a risk that might harm themselves. It is about people choosing to be negligent and harming others.

    You can't seem to keep your story straight.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

    So you're against mandates then.
    'I' am not the government

    I am for vaccine mandates. I am NOT for individual citizens tying people up and giving them shots.

    The issue is not about people choosing to take a risk that might harm themselves. It is about people choosing to be negligent and harming others.

    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 10-21-2021, 08:55 PM.

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  • Ronson
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    Originally posted by Starlight View Post

    A new CDC study finds the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines authorized by the Food and Drug Administration (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) reduce the risk of infection by 91 percent for fully vaccinated people.

    ...Findings from the extended timeframe of this study add to accumulating evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are effective and should prevent most infections... and appear to be less likely to spread the virus to others [even in the less-likely event they do get infected]
    Very well. I stand corrected.

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  • Gondwanaland
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

    No, as I explained, the analogy is reversed. I'm talking about a personal responsibility not to harm others - that is the context of my statement about the moral responsibility to get vaccinated. That can't just be perverted into some obligation to forcefully prevent others from harming themselves.
    So you're against mandates then.

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