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[Sparko]

AFAIK a cold gun on a set means it can be loaded with blanks.

Well that would be a dumb term then. The guns should never have real rounds in them, so any "hot gun" would be one loaded with blanks, and a "cold gun" would be one without any ammunition in it whatsoever.

[Cow Poke]

AFAIK a cold gun on a set means it can be loaded with blanks.

That's part of the confusion - it appears that "set talk" allows for a "cold gun" to include blanks, when logic would tell you that a "cold gun" has no firepower at all.

It seems that a better naming convention would be

A) Hot - loaded with live rounds
2) Warm - loaded with blanks
c) Cold - not loaded at all.

But I go back to my primary position on this - the person who is going to use a weapon for any purpose should be the final authority on the firepower of the weapon - and if he/she is incapable of discerning that for themselves, they need not to be in possession of a firearm at all.

[Gondwanaland]

Well that would be a dumb term then. The guns should never have real rounds in them, so any "hot gun" would be one loaded with blanks, and a "cold gun" would be one without any ammunition in it whatsoever.

"Cold gun" means it was checked (or should have been if the armored was doing their job correctly) and had the correct blanks, free of obstructions, etc.)

[Sparko]

"Cold gun" means it was checked (or should have been if the armored was doing their job correctly) and had the correct blanks, free of obstructions, etc.)

Are you sure? Do you have any source for that? because what I have been reading says it means "no ammunition."

"
Baldwin was assured the prop firearm was a “cold gun” — meaning it did not contain ammunition — by the assistant director who handed it to him before he shot it, according to interviews in an affidavit released by the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Department.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisad...h=930ed7dc4012

[Gondwanaland]

Are you sure? Do you have any source for that? because what I have been reading says it means "no ammunition."

"
Baldwin was assured the prop firearm was a “cold gun” — meaning it did not contain ammunition — by the assistant director who handed it to him before he shot it, according to interviews in an affidavit released by the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Department.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisad...h=930ed7dc4012

Sounds like imprecise wording by Forbes.

[Sparko]

Sounds like imprecise wording by Forbes.

OK so show me something that says it means blanks. Why would they load it with blanks if he was just practicing drawing it? They aren't supposed to put blanks in until they are starting to shoot the scene.

[Cow Poke]

Are you sure? Do you have any source for that? because what I have been reading says it means "no ammunition."

"
Baldwin was assured the prop firearm was a “cold gun” — meaning it did not contain ammunition — by the assistant director who handed it to him before he shot it, according to interviews in an affidavit released by the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Department.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisad...h=930ed7dc4012

I don't know where it was, brother, but early on, I read reports - and it struck me as really odd - that "cold gun" could actually include blanks.
I'll see if I can find the source for that, but at the time, I thought HOW STUPID!!!!

[Sparko]

I don't know where it was, brother, but early on, I read reports - and it struck me as really odd - that "cold gun" could actually include blanks.
I'll see if I can find the source for that, but at the time, I thought HOW STUPID!!!!

That's what I am thinking. Heck even using "cold gun" seems like a dumb idea. Why not just say "empty gun" and "loaded gun?" then there is no chance of a misunderstanding.

[Cow Poke]

That's what I am thinking. Heck even using "cold gun" seems like a dumb idea. Why not just say "empty gun" and "loaded gun?" then there is no chance of a misunderstanding.

I still think that the only way to make this work on a movie set is to have the chain of custody of firearms include the final step - when you hand the weapon to the person who will be using it, have THEM verify (even if you have to show them how) that it is either empty, has blanks, or has live rounds.

The buck absolutely stops with the person firing the weapon.

[Sparko]

I still think that the only way to make this work on a movie set is to have the chain of custody of firearms include the final step - when you hand the weapon to the person who will be using it, have THEM verify (even if you have to show them how) that it is either empty, has blanks, or has live rounds.

The buck absolutely stops with the person firing the weapon.

Or they should point the gun at the person who handed it to them and fire it. I bet then the person in charge will make sure it is not loaded with live rounds. If not, the careless ones will be eliminated shortly.

[rogue06]

That's part of the confusion - it appears that "set talk" allows for a "cold gun" to include blanks, when logic would tell you that a "cold gun" has no firepower at all.

It seems that a better naming convention would be

A) Hot - loaded with live rounds
2) Warm - loaded with blanks
c) Cold - not loaded at all.

But I go back to my primary position on this - the person who is going to use a weapon for any purpose should be the final authority on the firepower of the weapon - and if he/she is incapable of discerning that for themselves, they need not to be in possession of a firearm at all.

Back in the early days of Hollywood they didn't have squibs or anything like that so the ricochets or bullet holes you saw were probably from actual bullets. This scene has been put forth as a likely example of that

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[Gondwanaland]

Seeing some reports (right now from the Daily Mail and a few entertainment sites so take it with a grain of salt) that some of the crew took some of the prop guns to go plinking beer cans with live rounds. Which would explain how the round got in the gun.

I was wondering if it would turn out to be something like that.

[Cow Poke]

Seeing some reports (right now from the Daily Mail and a few entertainment sites so take it with a grain of salt) that some of the crew took some of the prop guns to go plinking beer cans with live rounds. Which would explain how the round got in the gun.

I was wondering if it would turn out to be something like that.

Hearing the same thing, and, yeah, it's totally within the scope of believability that where guns are, plinking is a reasonable temptation.

Also, where did the beer cans come from? Drinking and Plinking are not compatible.

[rogue06]

Seeing some reports (right now from the Daily Mail and a few entertainment sites so take it with a grain of salt) that some of the crew took some of the prop guns to go plinking beer cans with live rounds. Which would explain how the round got in the gun.

I was wondering if it would turn out to be something like that.

Apparently this was in an affidavit given by the director

[Cow Poke]

FIVE HUNDRED ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION seized from the scene via a search warrant.