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  • #16
    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    It is easy enough to understand: When the law fails to protect people, they must needs protect themselves. The part that is hard to understand is the level of support for preventing the law from protecting people.
    As I noted, we now live in a time when a DA refuses to prosecute gang members involved in a shooting caught on video because they were "mutual combatants"

    IOW, if both sides are shooting at each other, that's okay with the Chicago D.A.

    The left is trying to bring back High Noon shoot outs on main street (which were with one exception a Hollywood myth)

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    • #17
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      The real tell is how many women in the past few years have suddenly become gun owners. I know two who not too long ago were firmly against having any sort of gun in their homes but now have them.

      Let's just hope they get some safety and shooting lessons (something EVERYONE should do when they get their first firearm).
      I owned a gun when I lived in Southern California, in Leftist-controlled Santa Ana and had gangs shooting each other in my neighborhood. One gang dropped a body in our community swimming pool.

      Best solution: Move away from Leftist pits of despair and misery and crime, and I sold my gun.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

        It could be a sign that a nation lacks maturity!
        Says a denizen of the nation that exterminated millions of people who did not have arms to fight back.

        Maturity is realizing that the government is NOT your friend, that the police are NOT your friend, and that the only one you can rely on to protect yourself when you need it, is you.
        There also seems to be an underlying terror among some Americans of "government" which often seems to translate as potential "tyranny".
        Gee, wonder where we might have gotten such ideas. Or had them reinforced by watching a nation fall under the sway of a madman who killed millions in concentration camps.....
        Last edited by Gondwanaland; 10-07-2021, 08:08 AM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
          Gee, wonder where we might have gotten such ideas. Or had them reinforced by watching a nation fall under the sway of a madman who killed millions in concentration camps.....
          oops...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ronson View Post

            I suspect that most new gun buyers are in the Leftist-controlled, gang-infested cities, where violent crime is rampant and people can't depend on law enforcement anymore. So, yeah, Leftist failure to protect its citizens could be called immaturity.
            Once again I admit defeat in comprehending what is actually inferred by this generalisation "leftist. And does it follow that "rightest" areas [whatever they are] are crime free?

            Originally posted by Ronson View Post
            I don't own a gun. I don't see the need in a region where Leftists are rare and control nothing.
            You equate the existence of "Leftists" and gun ownership? If so there must be an awful lot "Leftists" in the USA then judging by a recent survey [2020] that estimated "The U.S. has just 4% of the world’s population but owns about 40% of civilian-owned guns globally, according to a 2018 report from the Switzerland-based Small Arms Survey. The SAS estimates that American civilians own 393 million guns, ranking the U.S. number one in firearms per capita".[ https://gunsandamerica.org/story/20/...es-explainer/]

            The percentage of gun ownership per state [as of 2007-2016] according to the Rand Corporation statistics [https://www.rand.org/research/gun-po...wnership.html] shows that several of those states with high gun ownership appear to be "Red" states. [https://www.conservativedailynews.co.../11/map-6.jpg]
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

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            • #21
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              One day when we grow up we too hope to kill millions in concentration camps
              I thought the USA had already tried to wipe out the indigenous population.
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                I thought the USA had already tried to wipe out the indigenous population.
                We didn't industrialize it like you.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                  Says a denizen of the nation that exterminated millions of people who did not have arms to fight back.
                  The countries Hitler invaded, fought, or attacked all had weapons

                  Do you wish to compare the murders in the camps with the attempt to exterminate the indigenous peoples of North America? And do you imagine that if Andrew Jackson and various others had had access to Zyklon B or something similar that they might not have been tempted to use it?

                  Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                  Maturity is realizing that the government is NOT your friend, that the police are NOT your friend, and that the only one you can rely on to protect yourself when you need it, is you.
                  Ever thought of buying your very own private island and moving there?

                  Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                  Gee, wonder where we might have gotten such ideas. Or had them reinforced by watching a nation fall under the sway of a madman who killed millions in concentration camps.....
                  N.B. "concentration camps" which were not a particularly German invention. The Spanish and the British I believe also developed such facilities.

                  I also understood that among many Americans the fear of government tyranny goes back to George III.

                  [intentional sarcasm] Nor do I think that the Third Reich, Hitler, and Nazism had a great deal of impact on the decisions concerning what was to be included when it came to composing the US Constitution. However, I might be mistaken.
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                    Once again I admit defeat in comprehending what is actually inferred by this generalisation "leftist. And does it follow that "rightest" areas [whatever they are] are crime free?
                    "Leftists" in the US are those that want government to control most every facet of everyday life. The further Left one goes, the more control they want to hand over to the government. And since the Democratic Party has gone off the deep end in recent decades - the Left end - "Leftists" are usually Democratic-controlled areas - and those are mostly large cities. But since gun ownership is a protected federal constitutional right, citizens in cities can still arm themselves.

                    You equate the existence of "Leftists" and gun ownership?
                    No. I equate Leftist-controlled cities with gun ownership. In such cities, gun-touting criminals run rampant, so the average citizen feels the need to arm themselves.

                    If so there must be an awful lot "Leftists" in the USA then judging by a recent survey [2020] that estimated "The U.S. has just 4% of the world’s population but owns about 40% of civilian-owned guns globally, according to a 2018 report from the Switzerland-based Small Arms Survey. The SAS estimates that American civilians own 393 million guns, ranking the U.S. number one in firearms per capita".[ https://gunsandamerica.org/story/20/...es-explainer/]
                    Non sequitur, as I explain above.

                    The percentage of gun ownership per state [as of 2007-2016] according to the Rand Corporation statistics [https://www.rand.org/research/gun-po...wnership.html] shows that several of those states with high gun ownership appear to be "Red" states. [https://www.conservativedailynews.co.../11/map-6.jpg]
                    The red state/blue state designation is less precise than urban vs. non-urban.

                    If a state has proportionally a larger urban population than elsewhere in the state, then the state becomes blue. But the blue voters are in those cities.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                      We didn't industrialize it like you.
                      That is a technological feature that does not detract from the horrors of what was deliberately done to the indigenous populations of north America.

                      And as noted in my previous reply to you, had that technologically and the chemicals existed, do you imagine that some Americans would not have been tempted to use them?
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                        "Leftists" in the US are those that want government to control most every facet of everyday life.
                        Is that actually correct? I live in a social democracy but the government does not attempt to control "most every facet of everyday life" for me. Nor do similar social democrat governments in countries across Europe.

                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                        The further Left one goes, the more control they want to hand over to the government.
                        Again, is this just another generalisation? One could argue that if you go far enough to the Left or Right politically you find yourself living in totalitarian regimes. I do not see a great deal of political difference between the GDR when it was part of the Eastern bloc and Nazi Germany before 1945.

                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                        And since the Democratic Party has gone off the deep end in recent decades
                        Again is this actually borne out by serious evidence or is this your own animus?

                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                        - the Left end - "Leftists" are usually Democratic-controlled areas - and those are mostly large cities.
                        What about states like Texas, Arkansas, Kansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Louisiana? They have a rather high percentage of gun ownership and appear to be predominantly "red states" . [My link originally failed [https://www.rand.org/research/gun-po...wnership.html]

                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                        But since gun ownership is a protected federal constitutional right, citizens in cities can still arm themselves.
                        Does that not negate your earlier comment that "most new gun buyers are in the Leftist-controlled, gang-infested cities, where violent crime is rampant and people can't depend on law enforcement anymore"?

                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                        No. I equate Leftist-controlled cities with gun ownership. In such cities, gun-touting criminals run rampant, so the average citizen feels the need to arm themselves.
                        Do the citizens of cities in red states feel the same way? Those states have high levels of gun ownership. And if it is not fear of "Leftists" that drives citizens in those red states to feel it necessary to own guns, what does?


                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                        The red state/blue state designation is less precise than urban vs. non-urban.

                        If a state has proportionally a larger urban population than elsewhere in the state, then the state becomes blue. But the blue voters are in those cities.
                        Are there no large urban populations and cities in red states?
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          That is a technological feature that does not detract from the horrors of what was deliberately done to the indigenous populations of north America.

                          And as noted in my previous reply to you, had that technologically and the chemicals existed, do you imagine that some Americans would not have been tempted to use them?
                          Erratum. It should read "had that technology and the chemicals existed" not "had that technologically and the chemicals existed".
                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            The countries Hitler invaded, fought, or attacked all had weapons
                            and the Jews in his country did not.

                            Do you wish to compare the murders in the camps with the attempt to exterminate the indigenous peoples of North America? And do you imagine that if Andrew Jackson and various others had had access to Zyklon B or something similar that they might not have been tempted to use it?
                            who knows? Nice attempt to distract though.

                            Ever thought of buying your very own private island and moving there?
                            it would be nice.

                            N.B. "concentration camps" which were not a particularly German invention. The Spanish and the British I believe also developed such facilities.
                            non sequitur.

                            I also understood that among many Americans the fear of government tyranny goes back to George III.

                            [intentional sarcasm] Nor do I think that the Third Reich, Hitler, and Nazism had a great deal of impact on the decisions concerning what was to be included when it came to composing the US Constitution. However, I might be mistaken.
                            Not a fear, but rather a wariness of what can come from such governments. Like yours, for example. The latter part of your post makes clear youbdid not read for conprehension.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                              That is a technological feature that does not detract from the horrors of what was deliberately done to the indigenous populations of north America.

                              And as noted in my previous reply to you, had that technologically and the chemicals existed, do you imagine that some Americans would not have been tempted to use them?
                              Not particularly. But then I'm not a German so I don't spend my time imagining how more people could be exterminated.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Is that actually correct? I live in a social democracy but the government does not attempt to control "most every facet of everyday life" for me. Nor do similar social democrat governments in countries across Europe.
                                I haven't lived in any European countries long enough to judge. I was talking about the U.S.

                                Again, is this just another generalisation? One could argue that if you go far enough to the Left or Right politically you find yourself living in totalitarian regimes. I do not see a great deal of political difference between the GDR when it was part of the Eastern bloc and Nazi Germany before 1945.
                                Of course, extremes in either direction meets up with authoritarianism. But fascist countries are rare lately. BTW, were you born in the GDR?

                                Again is this actually borne out by serious evidence or is this your own animus?
                                It's not my imagination. Even Democrats admit the Leftward shift.

                                https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...last-30-years/

                                What about states like Texas, Arkansas, Kansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Louisiana? They have a rather high percentage of gun ownership and appear to be predominantly "red states" . [My link originally failed [https://www.rand.org/research/gun-po...wnership.html]

                                Does that not negate your earlier comment that "most new gun buyers are in the Leftist-controlled, gang-infested cities, where violent crime is rampant and people can't depend on law enforcement anymore"?

                                Do the citizens of cities in red states feel the same way? Those states have high levels of gun ownership. And if it is not fear of "Leftists" that drives citizens in those red states to feel it necessary to own guns, what does?
                                With few exceptions, I don't divide politics by states, but by urban and non urban.

                                Are there no large urban populations and cities in red states?
                                Apparently not enough to offset non-urban votes. Plus, I assume some rural states have higher gun ownership because of hunting, but this thread is about new registrations of women and minorities. I'm guessing they are urban dwellers and not rural hunters.

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