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Pfizer Scientists Admit: "Your Antibodies Are Probably Better Than The Vaccination"

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  • Pfizer Scientists Admit: "Your Antibodies Are Probably Better Than The Vaccination"

    Surprised I've not seen a thread on this.

    Several Pfizer scientists were caught on undercover video admitting that natural immunity is better than the immunity provided by their vaccines. Something Fauci and his ilk and the rest of the vaccine mandate folks have been in denial of (only recently after Israel's study have they begun to stop their denial of its existence).

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._your_antibodi es_are_probably_better_than_the_vaccination.html

    Project Veritas founder James O'Keefe reports on a Pfizer scientist telling an undercover journalist that those who have had COVID have stronger immunity than those who have received their vaccine.

    Nick Karl, a biochemist at Pfizer with involvement in the development of their vaccine told the undercover journalist: "Your antibodies are probably better than the vaccination... When somebody is naturally immune, like, they got COVID, they probably have better, like, not better, but more antibodies against the virus."

    "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus," Karl said. "So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
    Just gonna stop here and heartily laugh at H_A who told me I didn't know what I was talking about when I said this about the antibodies for various parts of the virus and not just the spike which is what the vaccine teaches your body to react to. (I believe Sparko objected to me saying this as well).

    "It's just about making it so inconvenient for unvaccinated people to the point where they’re just like, 'F*** it. I'll get it.' You know?” he said.

    Another Pfizer scientist, Chris Croce, agreed with Karl's comments about immunity from antibodies. Transcript, via Your News:
    Veritas Journalist: “So, I am well-protected [with antibodies]?”
    Chris Croce, Pfizer Senior Associate Scientist: “Yeah.”

    Veritas Journalist: “Like as much as the vaccine?”

    Croce: “Probably more.”

    Veritas Journalist: “How so? Like, how much more?”

    Croce: “You’re protected most likely for longer since there was a natural response.”

    Croce expressed dismay with his company’s direction and moral compass:

    Veritas Journalist: “So, what happened to the monoclonal antibody treatments?”

    Croce: “[It got] pushed to the side.”

    Veritas Journalist: “Why?”

    Croce: “Money. It’s disgusting.”



    Croce: “I still feel like I work for an evil corporation because it comes down to profits in the end. I mean, I’m there to help people, not to make millions and millions of dollars. So, I mean, that’s the moral dilemma.”

    Veritas Journalist: “Isn’t it billions and billions?”

    Croce: “I’m trying to be nice.”

    Veritas Journalist: “No, I hear you. I hear you. I do. I mean, I’ll still give you a hard time about it.”

    Croce: “Basically, our organization is run on COVID money now.

    Last edited by Gondwanaland; 10-05-2021, 06:22 PM.

  • #2
    The first thing the covid cult is going to do is attack the messenger, because that's all they've got.

    What I found interesting is not the things they were confirming that we already knew from other studies, but the fact one of them called Pfizer "evil."

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    • #3
      I'm shocked.... SHOCKED!!!!
      That's what
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      • #4
        It would seem like common sense in a world that would apply common sense: Nature does it better.

        But since the progressive wingnuts have taken over, and apparently profit-seeking drug companies, the mantra is twisted. Up is down, black is white, and artificial is better.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seanD View Post
          The first thing the covid cult is going to do is attack the messenger, because that's all they've got.
          Of course, because this particular messenger is such an easy target.

          What I found interesting is not the things they were confirming that we already knew from other studies, but the fact one of them called Pfizer "evil."
          He called corporations evil that care only about profits, which is basically all publicly owned corporations.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Stoic View Post
            Of course, because this particular messenger is such an easy target.


            He called corporations evil that care only about profits, which is basically all publicly owned corporations.
            Nice try at a derail without addressing the issue.


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            • #7
              So what policy are you nutters actually pushing for... let everyone get covid in order to prevent them getting covid? Cos that's what it looks like.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                Several Pfizer scientists were caught on undercover video admitting that natural immunity is better than the immunity provided by their vaccines. Something Fauci and his ilk and the rest of the vaccine mandate folks have been in denial of (only recently after Israel's study have they begun to stop their denial of its existence).
                So Fauci refused to say that natural immunity provides better protection than vaccination until studies were available that showed that? Shocking!

                Next thing you know, he's going to refuse to say that natural immunity lasts longer than immunity from vaccination until there are studies available that show THAT!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  So what policy are you nutters actually pushing for... let everyone get covid in order to prevent them getting covid? Cos that's what it looks like.
                  No, they want people who have been infected to be exempt from vaccine mandates.

                  That may actually happen at some point, if it can be shown that natural immunity lasts a good long time.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                    No, they want people who have been infected to be exempt from vaccine mandates.

                    That may actually happen at some point, if it can be shown that natural immunity lasts a good long time.
                    I can see arguments both ways for that.

                    On the one hand, immunity after getting covid + vaccination = even stronger protection against getting it again, so worthwhile in that sense.

                    On the other hand, immunity after getting covid seems approximately as good as immunity from getting doubly vaccinated (the studies on this show mixed results, with some concluding it depends on how bad the covid case was), so if the goal is to get everyone up to an approximately equal level of immunity then treating people who have had covid in the past like you treat doubly-vaccinated people could be fine. That could lead to some issues about whether people could prove they'd had covid, since antibody tests are inaccurate, but presumably a system can be developed so that if a positive PCR test had been done that's proof they had covid.

                    Personally my own view is that covid can have such serious long-term medical consequences for the people that survive it, not to mention the possibility of death and overloaded hospitals, that it is in any country's interest to give all its citizens the maximum possible level of protection against it. I would therefore be in favor of mandating compulsory triple vaccinations for all residents, including children, including people who have already had covid, so that everyone has the maximum possible protection against the disease. I would hope that such a high level of antibodies in the country would mean the R-effective rate of spread dropped below 1, and that covid thus gradually disappeared from the country.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      So what policy are you nutters actually pushing for... let everyone get covid in order to prevent them getting covid? Cos that's what it looks like.
                      Er, no. I'm pushing for taking natural immunity into account when you're pushing fascist things like vaccine mandates, etc.. And to stop wasting vaccines that could go to people in countries with much poorer healthcare and are at a higher risk of death, instead of trying to force people like me to get a shot that we don't actually need because we had and easily survived covid.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                        So Fauci refused to say that natural immunity provides better protection than vaccination until studies were available that showed that? Shocking!

                        Next thing you know, he's going to refuse to say that natural immunity lasts longer than immunity from vaccination until there are studies available that show THAT!
                        Sorry but we knew this for quite some time, and we also know how basic immune systems work. Yet he denied it. Until finally it was repeated publicly enough that he couldn't continue his charade.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                          No, they want people who have been infected to be exempt from vaccine mandates.

                          That may actually happen at some point, if it can be shown that natural immunity lasts a good long time.
                          We literally know that people who had SARS almost 20 years still have immunity and their immune systems are robust enough that they recognize covid as being close enough to its cousin that they produce effective antibodies.

                          Denial of natural immunity and its long-lasting efficacy, is literal science denial.

                          Oh, and:
                          https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                            Of course, because this particular messenger is such an easy target.


                            He called corporations evil that care only about profits, which is basically all publicly owned corporations.
                            No, he specifically called Pfizer, the company he works for, evil because they only care about profits. You can shill better than that.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                              No, they want people who have been infected to be exempt from vaccine mandates.
                              Correct (assuming any mandates are acceptable).

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