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  • Biden's Claim that Trump Left No Exit Plan -- LIE?

    First of all, the claim that "Trump left us a deadline but not an exit plan" is ludicrous on its face.

    A) the "deadline" was dependent on the situation on the ground
    2) If Biden's team was too incompetent to come up with a working plan, it's their own durn fault.

    HOWEVER.... there's pushback on the claim that "there was no plan" left by Trump....

    Key Trump defense official refutes Blinken, says Trump left Afghan withdrawal plan for Biden

    Kash Patel, former chief of staff to Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller, blasted Secretary of State Antony Blinken for claiming that the Trump administration did not leave President Biden a plan for the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan.

    On the John Solomon Reports podcast on Thursday, Patel was asked if Blinken accurately told Congress that Trump left Biden a deadline for leaving Afghanistan without a plan. "No, absolutely not," Patel replied.

    Criticizing Blinken for playing "politics with the national security apparatus of the United States," Patel, who worked on the transition coordination team, said that the Trump administration did not leave Biden a deadline.

    "We actually did not leave them a deadline," he said. "It was a negotiation between the U.S. government, the Taliban, and the Afghans. And if that date was not to work for this incoming administration, they could have moved it.

    "But what they chose to do was break the entire agreement. And then they thought, since the adults were back in Washington, D.C., and Blinken and Biden were leading the charge, the world will just fall into place for them. And they blew it in Afghanistan. So I think their credibility's shot when it comes to everything Afghanistan."

    Trump's overall plan was to "peacefully negotiate yourself out of Afghanistan with a conditions-based withdrawal," he said. "[A]nd the world knew that was President Trump's plan."

    Under the Trump plan, the Taliban and the Afghan government had to meet certain criteria if they wanted the U.S. to help them establish "a peaceful, negotiated government in Afghanistan without U.S. troop presence," Patel explained. "The main component of that was an all-out rejection of al Qaeda and ISIS."

    If the Taliban and then-Afghan government wanted U.S. funds, "training and assistance in some form of military presence," they would all "have to sit down at the table with each other, like they were doing in Doha," Patel continued, and the U.S. would assist them in reaching an agreement for an interim government with then-President Ashraf Ghani.

    "And they knew that they couldn't cross at least President Trump's threat to rain down on them, should they harm a U.S. personnel or allied member," Patel said. "And that was the difference, really, between our plan and their plan."

    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

  • #2
    If it's from a Trump official then by definition it has to be all lies from lying liars. In contrast old Joe only misstates things and has gaffes and flubs. Never anything serious. The so-called "Fact Checkers" pretty much leave him alone so that tells you of how honest and truthful Biden and his Administration are. I mean, have you heard a peep from any of them about either old Joe's, Kamala's or Mayorkas' statements concerning the supposed Border Patrol whippings? So those statements must be troo


    Source: Biden White House’s lies a matter of life and death


    President Biden has gotten away his entire career with bending the truth and taking people for fools. Now the habit has infected his entire administration.

    So many lies are pumped out these days that it is impossible to keep up.

    They aren’t just the silly, self-aggrandizing exaggerations that used to send the Trump-hating media into paroxysms of outrage during the last administration.

    They often are matters of life and death that have a profound impact on the future of this country.

    Lie 1: The southern border is closed.

    No, it’s wide open, by design, and yet Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and Vice President Kamala Harris keep telling us, “The border is closed.”

    We can see with our own eyes, mainly thanks to Fox News, that illegal immigrants from all over the world are flooding in from Mexico, under the watchful gaze of Border Patrol agents who have been ordered to stand down.

    “The borders are not open,” Mayorkas said last week. “If you come to the United States illegally, you will be returned. Your journey will not succeed.”

    Oh yeah, Pinocchio?

    After a week of stonewalling by DHS and the White House press office, Mayorkas admitted to Fox News on Sunday that most of the 17,400 illegal immigrants who were cleared out from under the Del Rio bridge in Texas will stay in America.

    He said 10,000 to 12,000 already have been released into the US to melt into the shadows, and another 5,000 are currently being processed by DHS, some of whom also will be released.

    So that is an 80 percent to 97 percent success rate for the first 12,400 — good odds for the golden ticket of living in America.

    Mayorkas is facilitating what can only be seen as a deliberate invasion. His job is to expedite the secret movement of migrants out of sight and out of mind.

    In Orwellian fashion, he covers up this defiance of the law by changing the language: “We don’t use the term illegal immigrants,” he told CNN on Sunday. “I actually issued a policy … we use the term noncitizen.”

    Lie 2: Border Patrol agents on horseback "whipped" Haitian migrants.

    After trying to stop Fox News’ drone from filming the makeshift refugee camp under the Del Rio bridge, the Biden administration realized it had an optics problem. So Border Patrol was given permission to stop the flood of migrants who were crossing the Rio Grande.

    They used horses as crowd control on the rocky riverbank. If they had not done so, it is unlikely Mayorkas would have been able to clear the migrant camp by Friday, as Biden had instructed.

    Twitter activists seized on an image of the operation to falsely accuse the agents of strapping the migrants with horse whips. What they said were whips were reins.

    The administration’s rush to judgment was shameful. The agents were taken off active duty pending an investigation and horse patrols were suspended, thus removing one of the last remaining tools to secure the border.

    The VP likened the agents’ actions to “the worst moments of our history … during times of slavery.” Mayorkas implied they were racist.

    The president piled on, using all the authority of his office to threaten the agents with dire consequences for merely doing their jobs.

    “It was horrible to see what you saw, to see people treated like they did,” Biden said. “Horses running them over, people being strapped. It’s outrageous. I promise you those people will pay.”

    Mayorkas denied that the president’s false and inflammatory claim that migrants were “strapped” would influence the investigation of the horseback agents.

    But when he was asked at Friday’s White House press briefing about the use of “horse whips,” he called it “horrifying” and did not even attempt to correct the reporter’s erroneous description of reins.

    Lie 3: We will not leave Afghanistan until every American is evacuated.

    So said Joe Biden 13 days before his self-imposed deadline of Aug. 31.

    “If there’s American citizens left, we’re gonna stay to get them all out,” he told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos.

    At least 100 Americans were abandoned, along with many more Afghan allies, and now the FBI is reportedly paying visits to the homes of veterans who are trying to keep the president’s word for him.

    Lie 4: The drone attack on Aug. 29 in Kabul was a “righteous strike” on ISIS-K terrorists.

    Wrong. Ten innocent civilians, including seven children, were killed.

    The Pentagon lied and obfuscated for two weeks and only came clean after the New York Times published incontrovertible video footage and eyewitness reporting of the tragic reality.

    We still haven’t been told the identities of the victims of an earlier drone strike on Aug. 27. We are supposed to accept the word of the Pentagon that bad guys were killed, just as we are supposed to believe Biden when he tells us the bungled withdrawal from Afghanistan was an “extraordinary success.”

     Lie 5: Hunter Biden’s laptop is “Russian disinformation.”

    White House press secretary Jen Psaki was at it again on Friday with this cock and bull story.

    Asked by Fox News’ Peter Doocy if the White House still stood by its claim that incriminating material on the president’s son’s abandoned laptop was planted by the Russians, Psaki maintained the fiction.

    “I think it’s broadly known … that there was a broad range of Russian disinformation back in 2020.”

    Accurate stories of Biden family wrongdoing based on files from the laptop — which The Post has been publishing consistently since October — never had anything to do with Russians. That was just the Biden campaign’s way of discrediting them, with the help of former CIA head John Brennan and 50 other shameful former intelligence operatives whose false claims of a Russian plot served as a fig leaf to censor and traduce The Post reporting.

    Lie 6: The cost of the Democrats’ $3.5 trillion social welfare bill is “zero” dollars.

    Biden said this on Friday, when talking about slaying imaginary “trillionaires” with a mystery-box bill no one has a clue about. “It is a zero price tag on the debt … It’s going to be zero, zero,” he said.

    The math doesn’t need elaborating. $3.5 trillion is not zero.

    With so many lies, is it any wonder that Biden’s approval level has plummeted from 61 percent in January to 37 percent in September among independent voters, according to a Gallup poll.

    Gaslighting only goes so far. This is a lesson many a politician has learned the hard way. Underestimate the intelligence of the electorate at your peril.



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    © Copyright Original Source



    Now if the author worked at the Washington Post, each of those six lies would be parsed into a hundred or more individual lies like what they often did with Trump. Especially the third one which was barely touched on.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #3
      So who's the evil lying doofus making all these terrible decisions and handing them to Biden to implement?
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        So who's the evil lying doofus making all these terrible decisions and handing them to Biden to implement?
        We'll have to wait for the post-Biden administration tell-all books to come out.
        "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

        "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

          We'll have to wait for the post-Biden administration tell-all books to come out.
          I think we're on the verge of seeing some previews.

          And a bunch of Military Brass from the Biden Admin will be testifying before congress today or tomorrow.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            This ...
            .
            Under the Trump plan, the Taliban and the Afghan government had to meet certain criteria if they wanted the U.S. to help them establish "a peaceful, negotiated government in Afghanistan without U.S. troop presence," Patel explained. "The main component of that was an all-out rejection of al Qaeda and ISIS."

            ... is a plan to make a plan.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              If it's from a Trump official then by definition it has to be all lies from lying liars. In contrast old Joe only misstates things and has gaffes and flubs. Never anything serious. The so-called "Fact Checkers" pretty much leave him alone so that tells you of how honest and truthful Biden and his Administration are. I mean, have you heard a peep from any of them about either old Joe's, Kamala's or Mayorkas' statements concerning the supposed Border Patrol whippings? So those statements must be troo


              Source: Biden White House’s lies a matter of life and death


              President Biden has gotten away his entire career with bending the truth and taking people for fools. Now the habit has infected his entire administration.

              So many lies are pumped out these days that it is impossible to keep up.

              They aren’t just the silly, self-aggrandizing exaggerations that used to send the Trump-hating media into paroxysms of outrage during the last administration.

              They often are matters of life and death that have a profound impact on the future of this country.

              Lie 1: The southern border is closed.

              No, it’s wide open, by design, and yet Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and Vice President Kamala Harris keep telling us, “The border is closed.”

              We can see with our own eyes, mainly thanks to Fox News, that illegal immigrants from all over the world are flooding in from Mexico, under the watchful gaze of Border Patrol agents who have been ordered to stand down.

              “The borders are not open,” Mayorkas said last week. “If you come to the United States illegally, you will be returned. Your journey will not succeed.”

              Oh yeah, Pinocchio?

              After a week of stonewalling by DHS and the White House press office, Mayorkas admitted to Fox News on Sunday that most of the 17,400 illegal immigrants who were cleared out from under the Del Rio bridge in Texas will stay in America.

              He said 10,000 to 12,000 already have been released into the US to melt into the shadows, and another 5,000 are currently being processed by DHS, some of whom also will be released.

              So that is an 80 percent to 97 percent success rate for the first 12,400 — good odds for the golden ticket of living in America.

              Mayorkas is facilitating what can only be seen as a deliberate invasion. His job is to expedite the secret movement of migrants out of sight and out of mind.

              In Orwellian fashion, he covers up this defiance of the law by changing the language: “We don’t use the term illegal immigrants,” he told CNN on Sunday. “I actually issued a policy … we use the term noncitizen.”

              Lie 2: Border Patrol agents on horseback "whipped" Haitian migrants.

              After trying to stop Fox News’ drone from filming the makeshift refugee camp under the Del Rio bridge, the Biden administration realized it had an optics problem. So Border Patrol was given permission to stop the flood of migrants who were crossing the Rio Grande.

              They used horses as crowd control on the rocky riverbank. If they had not done so, it is unlikely Mayorkas would have been able to clear the migrant camp by Friday, as Biden had instructed.

              Twitter activists seized on an image of the operation to falsely accuse the agents of strapping the migrants with horse whips. What they said were whips were reins.

              The administration’s rush to judgment was shameful. The agents were taken off active duty pending an investigation and horse patrols were suspended, thus removing one of the last remaining tools to secure the border.

              The VP likened the agents’ actions to “the worst moments of our history … during times of slavery.” Mayorkas implied they were racist.

              The president piled on, using all the authority of his office to threaten the agents with dire consequences for merely doing their jobs.

              “It was horrible to see what you saw, to see people treated like they did,” Biden said. “Horses running them over, people being strapped. It’s outrageous. I promise you those people will pay.”

              Mayorkas denied that the president’s false and inflammatory claim that migrants were “strapped” would influence the investigation of the horseback agents.

              But when he was asked at Friday’s White House press briefing about the use of “horse whips,” he called it “horrifying” and did not even attempt to correct the reporter’s erroneous description of reins.

              Lie 3: We will not leave Afghanistan until every American is evacuated.

              So said Joe Biden 13 days before his self-imposed deadline of Aug. 31.

              “If there’s American citizens left, we’re gonna stay to get them all out,” he told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos.

              At least 100 Americans were abandoned, along with many more Afghan allies, and now the FBI is reportedly paying visits to the homes of veterans who are trying to keep the president’s word for him.

              Lie 4: The drone attack on Aug. 29 in Kabul was a “righteous strike” on ISIS-K terrorists.

              Wrong. Ten innocent civilians, including seven children, were killed.

              The Pentagon lied and obfuscated for two weeks and only came clean after the New York Times published incontrovertible video footage and eyewitness reporting of the tragic reality.

              We still haven’t been told the identities of the victims of an earlier drone strike on Aug. 27. We are supposed to accept the word of the Pentagon that bad guys were killed, just as we are supposed to believe Biden when he tells us the bungled withdrawal from Afghanistan was an “extraordinary success.”

               Lie 5: Hunter Biden’s laptop is “Russian disinformation.”

              White House press secretary Jen Psaki was at it again on Friday with this cock and bull story.

              Asked by Fox News’ Peter Doocy if the White House still stood by its claim that incriminating material on the president’s son’s abandoned laptop was planted by the Russians, Psaki maintained the fiction.

              “I think it’s broadly known … that there was a broad range of Russian disinformation back in 2020.”

              Accurate stories of Biden family wrongdoing based on files from the laptop — which The Post has been publishing consistently since October — never had anything to do with Russians. That was just the Biden campaign’s way of discrediting them, with the help of former CIA head John Brennan and 50 other shameful former intelligence operatives whose false claims of a Russian plot served as a fig leaf to censor and traduce The Post reporting.

              Lie 6: The cost of the Democrats’ $3.5 trillion social welfare bill is “zero” dollars.

              Biden said this on Friday, when talking about slaying imaginary “trillionaires” with a mystery-box bill no one has a clue about. “It is a zero price tag on the debt … It’s going to be zero, zero,” he said.

              The math doesn’t need elaborating. $3.5 trillion is not zero.

              With so many lies, is it any wonder that Biden’s approval level has plummeted from 61 percent in January to 37 percent in September among independent voters, according to a Gallup poll.

              Gaslighting only goes so far. This is a lesson many a politician has learned the hard way. Underestimate the intelligence of the electorate at your peril.



              Source

              © Copyright Original Source



              Now if the author worked at the Washington Post, each of those six lies would be parsed into a hundred or more individual lies like what they often did with Trump. Especially the third one which was barely touched on.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                This ...
                .
                Under the Trump plan, the Taliban and the Afghan government had to meet certain criteria if they wanted the U.S. to help them establish "a peaceful, negotiated government in Afghanistan without U.S. troop presence," Patel explained. "The main component of that was an all-out rejection of al Qaeda and ISIS."

                ... is a plan to make a plan.
                So, a plan! And since when does an Administration get a pass on screwing up because the precious Administration didn't leave detailed instructions for them on how to govern?
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  The Brass will be testifying today.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    So, a plan! And since when does an Administration get a pass on screwing up because the precious Administration didn't leave detailed instructions for them on how to govern?
                    I've seen you, many times, castigate a black preacher who put his politics before the gospel.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                      I've seen you, many times, castigate a black preacher who put his politics before the gospel.
                      A) I don't think so
                      2) I'm not doing that here



                      ETA: Unless you're talking about the poverty pimps who are all about racism and never get to the Gospel.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        So, a plan! And since when does an Administration get a pass on screwing up because the precious Administration didn't leave detailed instructions for them on how to govern?
                        Also if there was a plan, old Joe would have tossed it into the paper shredder without giving it so much as a glance as evidenced by the way he has tried to overturn anything Trump did -- including the unarguably good things.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Also if there was a plan, old Joe would have tossed it into the paper shredder without giving it so much as a glance as evidenced by the way he has tried to overturn anything Trump did -- including the unarguably good things.
                          I'll be busy most of the morning in meetings, then a doctor appointment, but I'm really wanting to see the testimony - under oath - of the top brass, and how much finger-pointing there is.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            So far, the hearing seems to reveal that more than a few people advised Biden that he needed to keep 2500 troops in Afghanistan until all Americans were out.
                            Biden, of course, had said NONE of his advisors had told him that.
                            When specifically asked if that message was ever received by Biden, there's all kinds of "run around" - nobody wants to admit "yes, we told him and he chose to ignore it".

                            They (the generals giving testimony) have clearly stated that they recommended keeping 4,500 (or 2,500) troops, and that NOBODY in the chain of command recommended to withdraw troops first.

                            Gen Milley is excusing Biden's action because "we just give advice", we can't make the President listen, and we don't resign in protest simply because he doesn't take our advice.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              So the Secretary of Defense is claiming that our "reputation" among other nations is solid, everything is OK.
                              General Milley most certainly indicated that "damaged" is a suitable word, and indicated things are not so good.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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