America has defunded Iron Dome, it seems. I'm thinking there's a good chance it might force Israel into a more aggressive stance.
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Irondome Defunding
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostAmerica has defunded Iron Dome, it seems. I'm thinking there's a good chance it might force Israel into a more aggressive stance.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostGood, though I don't think it will last long if the Israel lobby has anything to say about it (they do, a lot, in this corrupt system). There is no reason we should be sending billions of dollars (for this and other aid) to Israel to protect them while they commit ethnic cleansing. They are more than capable of taking care of themselves and creating their own money.
Especially when we have veterans on the streets, failing VA hospitals, etc.. We can't even take care of our own soldiers after we used and abused them in decades of pointless wars, but we can somehow muster up a few cool billion to send to Daddy Israel? It's time we stopped being the Unconditional Pursebag of Israel and go back to being the United States of America
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I'll leave that alone for now...
This bothers me in that we don't have to "not" fund something in order to found our VA hospitals, veterans and so on. If we can print trillions of dollars, we can take care of our military without worrying about "not spending it elsewhere".Last edited by Gondwanaland; 09-22-2021, 05:07 PM.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
Good, though I don't think it will last long if the Israel lobby has anything to say about it (they do, a lot, in this corrupt system). There is no reason we should be sending billions of dollars (for this and other aid) to Israel to protect them while they commit ethnic cleansing. They are more than capable of taking care of themselves and creating their own money. Especially when we have veterans on the streets, failing VA hospitals, etc.. We can't even take care of our own soldiers after we used and abused them in decades of pointless wars, but we can somehow muster up a few cool billion to send to Daddy Israel? It's time we stopped being the Unconditional Pursebag of Israel and go back to being the United States of America
However, there are groups within Israel who welcome this decision. They include some who have the same attitude to the Palestine that the aforementioned Palestinian groups have toward Israel.
Currently Israel is expressing confidence that it will be able to source funding for Iron Dome from elsewhere, with domestically being a strong contender.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
This claim of "ethnic cleansing" is kind of confusing. Except for occasional shut-downs, Israel is open to West Bank residents, and Islamic and Christian groups are permitted to have their churches and mosques in Israel. So Palestine is something of an enigma - or would be, if it wasn't home to groups who openly declare that there will be no peace with Israel until they have been pushed into the sea.
However, there are groups within Israel who welcome this decision. They include some who have the same attitude to the Palestine that the aforementioned Palestinian groups have toward Israel.
Currently Israel is expressing confidence that it will be able to source funding for Iron Dome from elsewhere, with domestically being a strong contender.
And that's not even directly mentioning the apartheid state Israel has set up.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
Good, though I don't think it will last long if the Israel lobby has anything to say about it (they do, a lot, in this corrupt system).
SMH. What a complete and utter waste of money we don't have and don't have the ability to pay back. Despicable.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
I mean, I'm unsure what else you'd call systematic, deliberate, removal of a people from their own land in order to settle their land, destruction of their houses and water sources, olive trees, etc., in order to replace it with settlements of your own people. Like??? That's literally a textbook definition of ethnic cleansing, and that's precisely what Israel has been doing for decades.
And that's not even directly mentioning the apartheid state Israel has set up.
Of intense interest:
https://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/590217...t-you-were-too
The simple version is that violence has become the status quo and that trying for peace is risky, so leaders on both ends seem to believe that managing the violence is preferable, while the Israeli and Palestinian publics show less and less interest in pressuring their leaders to take risks for peace.
Last edited by tabibito; 09-22-2021, 06:30 PM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
It does seem that the Palestinians do have some massive legitimate grievances, and equal to Israel's - in some cases greater. But Israel has shown willing to make real moves toward rapprochement in the past, which have usually met with violent opposition by Palestinian groups. All of which leaves me in quandary.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
"willing to make real moves" you mean whilst meanwhile bulldozing Palestinian homes and building Jewish buildings on top of them? Yeah.... no.
What it comes down to: what would be the outcome if Israel acceded to Palestine's legitimate demands?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Israel's hands are not as clean as they should be, not by a wide margin. Israel is not without excuse, nor is Palestine. Palestine are not innocent victims, but at the outset Israel was: that is no longer the case.
What it comes down to: what would be the outcome if Israel acceded to Palestine's legitimate demands?
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Interesting enough, the times I've been in Israel, the local Jews and Muslims seem to get along just fine, working for one another, or next to each other..... it's the "guys at the top" who keep all the fighting going.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostInteresting enough, the times I've been in Israel, the local Jews and Muslims seem to get along just fine, working for one another, or next to each other..... it's the "guys at the top" who keep all the fighting going.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostInteresting enough, the times I've been in Israel, the local Jews and Muslims seem to get along just fine, working for one another, or next to each other..... it's the "guys at the top" who keep all the fighting going.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
And they 'guys at the bottom' who get their water shut off, homes bulldozed, olive trees razed, buildings and city blocks blown to smithereens, children blown up on the beach, etc....
Maybe Bellisario had his finger on the pulse.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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