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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Does anybody here seriously believe she can possibly be this stupid? I think she HAS to be ing just for the sake of ing.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Does anybody here seriously believe she can possibly be this stupid? I think she HAS to be ing just for the sake of ing."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostNo Hypatia there was no argument by silence it was folks showing you where you were wrong to in your argument that Paul never referred to himself as a Jew just because he did not use the Greek a certain Greek word. You need to prove he didn't by showing us
Perhaps you [collectively] can also explain why a Jew [even a renegade] turns the standard blessings of bread and wine at a meal into theophagy. - hardly Jewish is it?
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
I haven't seen arguments as bad as hers since LDSTrue and Magellan2004 were on this board. Cringe-worthy bad."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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[QUOTE=Hypatia_Alexandria;n1304740] The Hebrew texts have more verses dealing with dietary codes and laws than they do on homosexuality. Again, textual fact.
επιθυμία [desire] is one of the four major types of passion, along with grief, fear, and pleasure [and sometimes anger].
Desire was unnatural.
επιθυμια επεθυμησα τουτο το πασχα φαγειν μεθ υμων προ του με παθειν. I have earnestly desired to eat this passover with you before I am to suffer. Jesus.
Paul craves to depart and be with Christ. Paul
The spirit craves in opposition to the craving of the flesh. Paul
We craved to see you face to face. Paul
The one who aspires to leadership craves a good work. Paul
Nothing unnatural about craving, nor is it intrinsically wrong.
The philosophical ideas of the Stoics viewed all desires and passions, including sexual desire as irrational and unnatural, and held the view that a strong minded person could, and should, eliminate sexual desire along with all the other passions. The individual who was able to eliminate all desires and for whom happiness was not dependent upon those things that others wished or strove for, would find complete freedom.
We don't know if Paul thought sex was a sin in and of itself. He doesn’t tell us. What he does tell us is that he condemns all passion and particularly sexual passion and that he views virginity and chastity as the ideal. However, for those unable to meet those lofty requirements and who have difficulty in controlling themselves, then marriage is the preferable choice.
What we also know is that by the late second century CE, Apologists like Justin Martyr and ECFs like Clement of Alexandria were making statements that Christians only marry to beget children and that if men marry to have children they should have no sexual desire for their wives. And by the fourth century St Jerome was making it clear that he viewed marriage with utter contempt.
We also have, within the Christian Apocrypha, writings that regard sex as “the experiment of the serpent” while Revelations 14:4 makes it clear that those who have not ‘"defiled’" themselves with women but have remained virgins follow the Lamb. So this idea of sin and sex has deep roots in Christianity.
No there is not. What you actually by plain reading is the translation and interpretation that you accept to be correct.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostOooh look more trolling from someone who accuses me of his own faults.
I have answered your posts in detail, with citations, providing facts, references to legal documents (particularly in the other thread), and you just double down with stupidity.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Is that a face saving way of explaining you cannot counter them?
You are free to believe what you want, but you will never convince anyone else that you are correct with such juvenile simplistic arguments from silence.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
So without Luke's record, we would only have Paul's own record to base an estimate on. And Paul's own words - even by your own assessment - would indicate that he is probably not from Judea.
Originally posted by tabibito View PostThey would provide his ethnic origins however, because he terms himself a Hebrew and a descendant of Abraham.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
You prove my point with nearly every post. And I'm not trolling - I'm calling you out for the wretched little you are.
I have answered your posts in detail, with citations, providing facts, references to legal documents (particularly in the other thread), and you just double down with stupidity.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIs that a face saving way of explaining you cannot counter them?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I haven't seen anything this nutty since --- what was his name - the rabid Mormon --- TrueBoM or whatever his name was? TrueLDS? LDSTrue?
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostPremised on his own authentic letters why do you come to that conclusion? Paul does not tell us where he comes from. However, he tells us he was a persecutor of "the church".- First Thessalonians (c. 50 AD)
- Galatians (c. 53)
- First Corinthians (c. 53–54)
- Philippians (c. 55)
- Philemon (c. 57–59)
- Second Corinthians (c. 55–56)
- Romans (c. 57)
2 Corinthians 11:22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they descendants of Abraham? So am I
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
There is nothing to counter. It's a meaningless claim. And as you showed when dealing with Acts, even when the bible does show Paul saying "I am a Jew" you merely dismiss it as fiction.
From James the Brother of Jesus
“The ‘freedom’ he [Paul]is talking about is freedom from the Law; the ‘slavery’ both enslavement to it and the Jerusalem Leadership – the ‘we’ referring here to his own communities.[...] It is in these passages, which end in an insistence that he ‘does not lie’- again important for parallel Qumran aspersions on a person known as ‘the Liar’ – that he describes how he first ‘made Peter’s acquaintance’ and ‘saw none of the other Apostles, except James the brother of the Lord’ (Gal. 1:18-20). In doing so, Paul states categorically that he did not ‘go up again to Jerusalem for fourteen years’ (2:1) which completely contradicts both chronological and factual claims in Acts.” [..]“He [Paul] did not recognise earthly authority, nor the ‘Jerusalem Church’ leaders, nor the decisions of the so-called ‘Jerusalem Council’. This was all very well and good for Paul, but one can imagine the kind of problem it might have caused him among his contemporaries.
We can get an inkling of these by reading between the lines in his letters and comprehending the doctrine about him in the Pseudoclementines and materials of similar orientation. Paul was obviously being mocked by some- within the Church not outside it- as ’the Man of Dreams’, ‘Lies’, or ‘Lying’, or what was also characterised in a parallel parlance as ‘the Enemy’. This is confirmed tangentially by Paul’s defensiveness with regard to such epithets, as evidenced at the end of his testimony in Galatians to his all important meeting with Peter and James in Jerusalem (Gal. 1:20 and 4:16".
The Church at this period, being the Jerusalem Church led by James.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Seven letters (with consensus dates)[8] considered genuine by most scholars:- First Thessalonians (c. 50 AD)
- Galatians (c. 53)
- First Corinthians (c. 53–54)
- Philippians (c. 55)
- Philemon (c. 57–59)
- Second Corinthians (c. 55–56)
- Romans (c. 57)
2 Corinthians 11:22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they descendants of Abraham? So am I
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Idumean converts were not Benjamites.
Originally posted by Hypatia_AlexandriaIshmael is a son of of Abraham.Last edited by tabibito; 09-16-2021, 03:03 PM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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