I am surprised...

[Mountain Man]

The Old Testament is important because it provides the context to help us understand the New Testament.

[Gondwanaland]

No, the NT has the most up to date information on these things!

Well that's good to hear, that's better than most Christians!

[One Bad Pig]

that's what all Christians do as Christians..


See above. That's what all Christians do and are trained to do from the very beginning. Most don't realize it, because og cognitive dissonance and effective brainwashing, until they break away and look at it from the outside ofbtheir faith.

Your opinion is duly noted, especially given your agreement with this:

You forget that it's easy:

Any verse that agrees with what Mossrose happens to already believe or prejudices she happens to hold, is taken as literal and important, and anyone who thinks otherwise is "not really a Christian". Any verse that disagrees with what she happens to already believe or runs against prejudices she happens to hold, is Old Covenant and no longer applicable.

No thought is needed, just gut agreement or disagreement with any given verse. It's all about the feelings, not thoughts.

I haven't unthinkingly accepted what I've been taught since I went to college, if not before. It's kind of difficult to go from Independent Fundamental Baptist to Eastern Orthodox without discarding some things I've been taught.

[Cow Poke]

I prefer the term "Bible believing Christian".

That works, too.

[rogue06]

Which is to say that while the law still exists, and it is still technically in effect, Jesus' sacrifice on the cross removed from us the obligation of living under it.

That is Paul's idea.

Perhaps you would be so good as to cite which one of Paul's letters you got that from (you can even use Acts since it quotes Paul frequently).

[Gondwanaland]

No, it's not, and you're not the first apostate who fancies himself as having been the quintessential believer and wrongly assumes that everybody else makes the same theological blunders he did. And honestly, the more you talk about your experience of being subjected to "brainwashing" that led to cognitive dissonance compels me to wonder if you were perhaps involved in a cult.

Sorry but yes, it is. You've done so on this very thread. But you don't see it because you've been trained not to, trained to unknowingly practe it.

I'm sorry you don't like an honest description of how children are raised in Christianity. (But certainly, I would agree Christianity is a cult)

[Gondwanaland]

You mean like the Decalogue?

The Pentateuch, which would certainly include the decalogue, the other ten commandments, and many other commandments.

[rogue06]

The Pentateuch, which would certainly include the decalogue, the other ten commandments, and many other commandments.

As MM tried to inform you, and which you mocked, there is a profound difference between ritual purity codes and the rules for conduct (moral laws). The former were fulfilled by Christ's sacrifice and are no longer in force.

[Gondwanaland]

As MM tried to inform you, and which you mocked, there is a profound difference between ritual purity codes and the rules for conduct (moral laws). The former were fulfilled by Christ's sacrifice and are no longer in force.

Again, I'm well aware of the mental gymnastics used to try to differentiate between the inconvenient laws and the ones that are in agreement with your worldview. Thing is, the homosexuality ones are those ritual purity codes, despite claims that it is the moral ones.

[rogue06]

Again, I'm well aware of the mental gymnastics used to try to differentiate between the inconvenient laws and the ones that are in agreement with your worldview. Thing is, the homosexuality ones are those ritual purity codes, despite claims that it is the moral ones.

Yeah, it only goes back to Christ Himself saying that He came to fulfill the law.

[Gondwanaland]

Yeah, it only goes back to Christ Himself saying that He came to fulfill the law.

Fulfilling =/= the law no longer being followed. But if you wantto go that way then he fulfilled the homosexuity part too. Dont get to have your cake and eat it too..

He also said that until the end of heaven and earth not one jot or tittle of the law would change....

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Yes, that's exactly what I said: "The ritual purity practices of the Old Covenant, like refraining from consuming certain foods, or not wearing fabrics made from mixed materials, are no longer binding on us because Jesus fulfilled the purpose of those laws so that those who have faith in him are considered pure and no longer need to practice ritual purity. Of course there are other laws, specifically moral laws -- do not lie, do not steal, do not commit adultery, do not commit homosexual acts, and so on -- that are still in effect and will always be in effect."

The same word תּוֹעֵבַה -abomination is used for eating unclean food or for what the Egyptians think of shepherds!.

[Mountain Man]

Sorry but yes, it is. You've done so on this very thread. But you don't see it because you've been trained not to, trained to unknowingly practe it.

I'm sorry you don't like an honest description of how children are raised in Christianity. (But certainly, I would agree Christianity is a cult)

If you don't mind me asking, what denomination were you, or what church did you attend? Because what you are describing is unlike anything I've ever personally experienced

[Mountain Man]

The same word תּוֹעֵבַה -abomination is used for eating unclean food or for what the Egyptians think of shepherds!.

What's your point?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The church will be purified and all the CINO's will be weeded out, as the tares were that Jesus spoke of.

I think these verses are apposite. Mattew 25.32-46


All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, ³³ and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. ³⁴ Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; ³⁵ for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, ³⁶ I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’ ³⁷ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? ³⁸ And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? ³⁹ And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?’ ⁴⁰ And the king will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family,^[g] you did it to me.’ ⁴¹ Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; ⁴² for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, ⁴³ I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ ⁴⁴ Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?’ ⁴⁵ Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ ⁴⁶ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”