Announcement

Collapse

Civics 101 Guidelines

Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!

Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less

Remembering 9/11

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Remembering 9/11

    Beneath 9/11′s terrible smoke, a flash of gold
    By Sally Jenkins
    Columnist
    Today at 4:55 a.m. EDT
    .
    It was true. On every block, store owners and restaurant workers would offer you something, a bit of free solace — “Are you thirsty? Do you need something to eat?” — and refuse payment. Because it was not that kind of day.

    “We have a duty, almost a holy responsibility, to record and honor the victorious weight of these innumerable little kindnesses, when an unprecedented act of evil so threatens to distort our perception of ordinary human behavior,” Gould wrote.

    So I honor the man in the bike shop who provided free-handedly a yellow Schwinn with creeeeeing brakes, gave respite to a footsore witness of the worst day ever and helped her get from the malevolent smoke into the clearer air.

    A Time of Gifts
    By Stephen Jay Gould
    Sept. 26, 2001
    .
    The patterns of human history mix decency and depravity in equal measure. We often assume, therefore, that such a fine balance of results must emerge from societies made of decent and depraved people in equal numbers. But we need to expose and celebrate the fallacy of this conclusion so that, in this moment of crisis, we may reaffirm an essential truth too easily forgotten, and regain some crucial comfort too readily forgone. Good and kind people outnumber all others by thousands to one. The tragedy of human history lies in the enormous potential for destruction in rare acts of evil, not in the high frequency of evil people. Complex systems can only be built step by step, whereas destruction requires but an instant. Thus, in what I like to call the Great Asymmetry, every spectacular incident of evil will be balanced by 10,000 acts of kindness, too often unnoted and invisible as the ''ordinary'' efforts of a vast majority.

    ...

    Twelve apple brown bettys into the breach. Twelve apple brown bettys for thousands of workers. And then I learned something important that I should never have forgotten -- and the joke turned on me. Those 12 apple brown bettys went like literal hot cakes. These trivial symbols in my initial judgment turned into little drops of gold within a rainstorm of similar offerings for the stomach and soul, from children's postcards to cheers by the roadside. We gave the last one to a firefighter, an older man in a young crowd, sitting alone in utter exhaustion as he inserted one of our shoe pads. And he said, with a twinkle and a smile restored to his face: ''Thank you. This is the most lovely thing I've seen in four days -- and still warm!''


  • #2

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

    Comment


    • #3
      Todd: Hello… Operator…listen to me…I can’t speak very loud. – This is an emergency. I’m a passenger on a United flight to San Francisco.. We have a situation here….Our plane has been hijacked…..can you understand me?

      Lisa: (exhaling a deep breath to herself) I understand… Can the hijackers see you talking on the phone?

      Todd: No

      Lisa: Can you tell me how many hijackers are on the plane?

      Todd: There are three that we know of.

      Lisa: Can you see any weapons? What kind of weapons do they have?

      Todd: Yes…. they don’t have guns….they have knives – they took over the plane with knives.

      Lisa: Do you mean…like steak knives?

      Todd: No, these are razor knives…like box cutters.

      Lisa: Can you tell what country these people are from?

      Todd: No…..I don’t know. They sound like they’re from the mid-east.

      Lisa: Have they said what they want?

      Todd: Someone announced from the cockpit that there was a bomb on board. He said he was the captain and to stay in our seats and stay quiet.
      He said that they were meeting these men’s demands and returning to the airport… It was very broken English, and… I’m telling you…it sounded fake!

      Lisa: Ok sir, please give me your name.

      Todd: My name is Todd Beamer.

      Lisa: Ok Todd….my name is Lisa…Do you know your flight number? If you can’t remember, it’s on your ticket.

      Todd: It’s United Flight 93.

      Lisa: Now Todd, can you try to tell me exactly what happened?

      Todd: Two of the hijackers were sitting in first class near the cockpit. A third one was sitting near the back of the coach section. The two up. front got into the cockpit somehow; there was shouting. The third hijacker said he had a bomb. It looks like a bomb. He’s got it tied to his waist with a red belt of some kind.

      Lisa: So is the door to the cockpit open?

      Todd: No, the hijackers shut it behind them.

      Lisa: Has anyone been injured?

      Todd: Yes, ..they…they killed one passenger sitting in first class. There’s been lots of shouting. We don’t know if the pilots are dead or alive. A flight attendant told me that the pilot and copilot had been forced from the cockpit and may have been wounded.

      Lisa: Where is the 3rd hijacker now Todd?

      Todd: He’s near the back of the plane. They forced most of the passengers into first class. There are fourteen of us here in the back. Five are flight attendants. He hasn’t noticed that I slipped into this pantry to get the phone. The guy with the bomb ordered us to sit on the floor in the rear of the plane……….oh Jesus.. Help!

      Lisa: Todd….are you ok? Tell me what’s happening!

      Todd: Hello…..We’re going down….I think we’re going to crash……Wait – wait a minute. No, we’re leveling off….we’re ok. I think we may be turning around…..That’s it – we changed directions. Do you hear me….we’re flying east again.

      Lisa: Ok Todd…. What’s going on with the other passengers?

      Todd: Everyone is… really scared. A few passengers with cell phones have made calls to relatives. A guy, Jeremy, was talking to his wife just before the hijacking started. She told him that hijackers had crashed two planes into the World Trade Center……Lisa is that true??

      Lisa: Todd…..I have to tell you the truth…..it’s very bad. The World Trade Center is gone. Both of the towers have been destroyed.

      Todd: Oh God —help us!

      Lisa: A third plane was taken over by terrorists. It crashed into the Pentagon in Washington DC. Our country is under attack….and I’m afraid that your plane may be part of their plan.

      Todd: Oh dear God. Dear God…….Lisa, will you do something for me?

      Lisa: I’ll try….if I can….Yes.

      Todd: I want you to call my wife and my kids for me and tell them what’s happened. Promise me you’ll call..

      Lisa: I promise – I’ll call.

      Todd: Our home number is 201 353-1073…….You have the same name as my wife…Lisa….We’ve been married for 10 years. She’s pregnant with our 3rd child. Tell her that I love her…….(choking up)..I’ll always love her..(clearing throat) We have two boys.. David, he’s 3 and Andrew, he’s 1…..Tell them……(choking) tell them that their daddy loves them and that he is so proud of them. (clearing throat again) Our baby is due January 12th…..I saw an ultra sound…..it was great….we still don’t know if it’s a girl or a boy………Lisa?

      Lisa: (barely able to speak) I’ll tell them, I promise Todd.

      Todd: I’m going back to the group—if I can get back I will…

      Lisa: Todd, leave this line open…are you still there?……

      Lisa: (dials the phone..) Hello, FBI, my name is Lisa Jefferson, I’m a telephone supervisor for GTE. I need to report a terrorist hijacking of a United Airlines Flight 93….Yes I’ll hold.

      Goodwin: Hello, this is Agent Goodwin.. I understand you have a hijacking situation?

      Lisa: Yes sir, I’ve been talking with a passenger, a Todd Beamer, on Flight 93 who managed to get to an air phone unnoticed.

      Goodwin: Where did this flight originate, and what was its destination?

      Lisa: The flight left Newark New Jersey at 8 A.M. departing for San Francisco. The hijackers took over the plane shortly after takeoff, and several minutes later the plane changed course – it is now flying east.

      Goodwin: Ms. Jefferson…I need to talk to someone aboard that plane. Can you get me thru to the planes phone?

      Lisa: I still have that line open sir, I can patch you through on a conference call…hold a mo…..

      Todd: Hello Lisa, Lisa are you there?

      Lisa: Yes, I’m here. Todd, I made a call to the FBI, Agent Goodwin is on the line and will be talking to you as well.

      Todd: The others all know that this isn’t your normal hijacking. Jeremy called his wife again on his cell phone. She told him more about the World Trade Center and all.

      Goodwin: Hello Todd. This is Agent Goodwin with the FBI. We have been monitoring your flight. Your plane is on a course for Washington, DC. These terrorists sent two planes into the World Trade Center and one plane into the Pentagon. Our best guess is that they plan to fly your plane into either the White House or the United States Capital Building.

      Todd: I understand…hold on……I’ll…….I’ll be back..

      Lisa: Mr. Goodwin, how much time do they have before they get to Washington?

      Goodwin: Not long ma’am. They changed course over Cleveland; they’re approaching Pittsburgh now. Washington may be twenty minutes away.

      Todd: (breathing a little heavier) The plane seems to be changing directions just a little. It’s getting pretty rough up here. The plane is flying real erratic….We’re not going to make it out of here. Listen to me….I want you to hear this….I have talked with the others….we have decided we would not be pawns in these hijackers suicidal plot.

      Lisa: Todd, what are you going to do?

      Todd: We’ve hatched a plan. Four of us are going to rush the hijacker with the bomb. After we take him out, we’ll break into the cockpit. A stewardess is getting some boiling water to throw on the hijackers at the controls. We’ll get them….and we’ll take them out. Lisa, …..will you do one last thing for me?

      Lisa: Yes…What is it?

      Todd: Would you pray with me?

      They pray: Our father which art in Heaven

      Hallowed be thy name,

      Thy kingdom come, thy will be done

      on earth as it is in heaven.

      Give us this day our daily bread,

      And forgive us our trespasses

      As we forgive our trespassers,

      And lead us not into temptation

      But deliver us from evil

      For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory

      Forever…..Amen

      The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want…

      He makes me to lie down in green pastures

      He leads me beside the still waters

      He restores my soul

      He leads me in paths of righteousness

      for His name’s sake

      Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death

      I will fear no evil, for thou art with me…..

      Todd: (softer) God help me…Jesus help me….(clears throat and louder)

      Are you guys ready?……..

      Let’s Roll……………………
      "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

      "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
        Todd: Hello… Operator…listen to me…I can’t speak very loud. – This is an emergency. I’m a passenger on a United flight to San Francisco.. We have a situation here….Our plane has been hijacked…..can you understand me?

        Lisa: (exhaling a deep breath to herself) I understand… Can the hijackers see you talking on the phone?

        Todd: No

        Lisa: Can you tell me how many hijackers are on the plane?

        Todd: There are three that we know of.

        Lisa: Can you see any weapons? What kind of weapons do they have?

        Todd: Yes…. they don’t have guns….they have knives – they took over the plane with knives.

        Lisa: Do you mean…like steak knives?

        Todd: No, these are razor knives…like box cutters.

        Lisa: Can you tell what country these people are from?

        Todd: No…..I don’t know. They sound like they’re from the mid-east.

        Lisa: Have they said what they want?

        Todd: Someone announced from the cockpit that there was a bomb on board. He said he was the captain and to stay in our seats and stay quiet.
        He said that they were meeting these men’s demands and returning to the airport… It was very broken English, and… I’m telling you…it sounded fake!

        Lisa: Ok sir, please give me your name.

        Todd: My name is Todd Beamer.

        Lisa: Ok Todd….my name is Lisa…Do you know your flight number? If you can’t remember, it’s on your ticket.

        Todd: It’s United Flight 93.

        Lisa: Now Todd, can you try to tell me exactly what happened?

        Todd: Two of the hijackers were sitting in first class near the cockpit. A third one was sitting near the back of the coach section. The two up. front got into the cockpit somehow; there was shouting. The third hijacker said he had a bomb. It looks like a bomb. He’s got it tied to his waist with a red belt of some kind.

        Lisa: So is the door to the cockpit open?

        Todd: No, the hijackers shut it behind them.

        Lisa: Has anyone been injured?

        Todd: Yes, ..they…they killed one passenger sitting in first class. There’s been lots of shouting. We don’t know if the pilots are dead or alive. A flight attendant told me that the pilot and copilot had been forced from the cockpit and may have been wounded.

        Lisa: Where is the 3rd hijacker now Todd?

        Todd: He’s near the back of the plane. They forced most of the passengers into first class. There are fourteen of us here in the back. Five are flight attendants. He hasn’t noticed that I slipped into this pantry to get the phone. The guy with the bomb ordered us to sit on the floor in the rear of the plane……….oh Jesus.. Help!

        Lisa: Todd….are you ok? Tell me what’s happening!

        Todd: Hello…..We’re going down….I think we’re going to crash……Wait – wait a minute. No, we’re leveling off….we’re ok. I think we may be turning around…..That’s it – we changed directions. Do you hear me….we’re flying east again.

        Lisa: Ok Todd…. What’s going on with the other passengers?

        Todd: Everyone is… really scared. A few passengers with cell phones have made calls to relatives. A guy, Jeremy, was talking to his wife just before the hijacking started. She told him that hijackers had crashed two planes into the World Trade Center……Lisa is that true??

        Lisa: Todd…..I have to tell you the truth…..it’s very bad. The World Trade Center is gone. Both of the towers have been destroyed.

        Todd: Oh God —help us!

        Lisa: A third plane was taken over by terrorists. It crashed into the Pentagon in Washington DC. Our country is under attack….and I’m afraid that your plane may be part of their plan.

        Todd: Oh dear God. Dear God…….Lisa, will you do something for me?

        Lisa: I’ll try….if I can….Yes.

        Todd: I want you to call my wife and my kids for me and tell them what’s happened. Promise me you’ll call..

        Lisa: I promise – I’ll call.

        Todd: Our home number is 201 353-1073…….You have the same name as my wife…Lisa….We’ve been married for 10 years. She’s pregnant with our 3rd child. Tell her that I love her…….(choking up)..I’ll always love her..(clearing throat) We have two boys.. David, he’s 3 and Andrew, he’s 1…..Tell them……(choking) tell them that their daddy loves them and that he is so proud of them. (clearing throat again) Our baby is due January 12th…..I saw an ultra sound…..it was great….we still don’t know if it’s a girl or a boy………Lisa?

        Lisa: (barely able to speak) I’ll tell them, I promise Todd.

        Todd: I’m going back to the group—if I can get back I will…

        Lisa: Todd, leave this line open…are you still there?……

        Lisa: (dials the phone..) Hello, FBI, my name is Lisa Jefferson, I’m a telephone supervisor for GTE. I need to report a terrorist hijacking of a United Airlines Flight 93….Yes I’ll hold.

        Goodwin: Hello, this is Agent Goodwin.. I understand you have a hijacking situation?

        Lisa: Yes sir, I’ve been talking with a passenger, a Todd Beamer, on Flight 93 who managed to get to an air phone unnoticed.

        Goodwin: Where did this flight originate, and what was its destination?

        Lisa: The flight left Newark New Jersey at 8 A.M. departing for San Francisco. The hijackers took over the plane shortly after takeoff, and several minutes later the plane changed course – it is now flying east.

        Goodwin: Ms. Jefferson…I need to talk to someone aboard that plane. Can you get me thru to the planes phone?

        Lisa: I still have that line open sir, I can patch you through on a conference call…hold a mo…..

        Todd: Hello Lisa, Lisa are you there?

        Lisa: Yes, I’m here. Todd, I made a call to the FBI, Agent Goodwin is on the line and will be talking to you as well.

        Todd: The others all know that this isn’t your normal hijacking. Jeremy called his wife again on his cell phone. She told him more about the World Trade Center and all.

        Goodwin: Hello Todd. This is Agent Goodwin with the FBI. We have been monitoring your flight. Your plane is on a course for Washington, DC. These terrorists sent two planes into the World Trade Center and one plane into the Pentagon. Our best guess is that they plan to fly your plane into either the White House or the United States Capital Building.

        Todd: I understand…hold on……I’ll…….I’ll be back..

        Lisa: Mr. Goodwin, how much time do they have before they get to Washington?

        Goodwin: Not long ma’am. They changed course over Cleveland; they’re approaching Pittsburgh now. Washington may be twenty minutes away.

        Todd: (breathing a little heavier) The plane seems to be changing directions just a little. It’s getting pretty rough up here. The plane is flying real erratic….We’re not going to make it out of here. Listen to me….I want you to hear this….I have talked with the others….we have decided we would not be pawns in these hijackers suicidal plot.

        Lisa: Todd, what are you going to do?

        Todd: We’ve hatched a plan. Four of us are going to rush the hijacker with the bomb. After we take him out, we’ll break into the cockpit. A stewardess is getting some boiling water to throw on the hijackers at the controls. We’ll get them….and we’ll take them out. Lisa, …..will you do one last thing for me?

        Lisa: Yes…What is it?

        Todd: Would you pray with me?

        They pray: Our father which art in Heaven

        Hallowed be thy name,

        Thy kingdom come, thy will be done

        on earth as it is in heaven.

        Give us this day our daily bread,

        And forgive us our trespasses

        As we forgive our trespassers,

        And lead us not into temptation

        But deliver us from evil

        For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory

        Forever…..Amen

        The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want…

        He makes me to lie down in green pastures

        He leads me beside the still waters

        He restores my soul

        He leads me in paths of righteousness

        for His name’s sake

        Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death

        I will fear no evil, for thou art with me…..

        Todd: (softer) God help me…Jesus help me….(clears throat and louder)

        Are you guys ready?……..

        Let’s Roll……………………
        wow

        speechless
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          wow

          speechless
          That literally choked me up, with both pride and sadness. All I had ever heard before was "let's roll."

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Ronson View Post

            That literally choked me up, with both pride and sadness. All I had ever heard before was "let's roll."
            Yeah, even when you know where it's going, and I've read it before, it's like... yeah. Absolutely incredible.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post

              That literally choked me up, with both pride and sadness. All I had ever heard before was "let's roll."
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              Yeah, even when you know where it's going, and I've read it before, it's like... yeah. Absolutely incredible.
              “WE HAVE SOME PLANES”

              The Battle for United 93

              During at least five of the passengers' phone calls, information was shared about the attacks that had occurred earlier that morning at the World Trade Center. Five calls described the intent of passengers and surviving crew members to revolt against the hijackers. According to one call, they voted on whether to rush the terrorists in an attempt to retake the plane. They decided, and acted.84

              At 9:57, the passenger assault began. Several passengers had terminated phone calls with loved ones in order to join the revolt. One of the callers ended her message as follows: "Everyone's running up to first class. I've got to go. Bye."85

              The cockpit voice recorder captured the sounds of the passenger assault muffled by the intervening cockpit door. Some family members who listened to the recording report that they can hear the voice of a loved one among the din. We cannot identify whose voices can be heard. But the assault was sustained.86

              In response, Jarrah immediately began to roll the airplane to the left and right, attempting to knock the passengers off balance. At 9:58:57, Jarrah told another hijacker in the cockpit to block the door. Jarrah continued to roll the airplane sharply left and right, but the assault continued. At 9:59:52, Jarrah changed tactics and pitched the nose of the airplane up and down to disrupt the assault. The recorder captured the sounds of loud thumps, crashes, shouts, and breaking glasses and plates. At 10:00:03, Jarrah stabilized the airplane.87

              Five seconds later, Jarrah asked, "Is that it? Shall we finish it off?" A hijacker responded, "No. Not yet. When they all come, we finish it off." The sounds of fighting continued outside the cockpit. Again, Jarrah pitched the nose of the aircraft up and down. At 10:00:26, a passenger in the background said, "In the cockpit. If we don't we'll die!" Sixteen seconds later, a passenger yelled, "Roll it!" Jarrah stopped the violent maneuvers at about 10:01:00 and said, "Allah is the greatest! Allah is the greatest!" He then asked another hijacker in the cock-pit, "Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down?" to which the other replied, "Yes, put it in it, and pull it down."88

              The passengers continued their assault and at 10:02:23, a hijacker said, "Pull it down! Pull it down!" The hijackers remained at the controls but must have judged that the passengers were only seconds from overcoming them. The airplane headed down; the control wheel was turned hard to the right. The airplane rolled onto its back, and one of the hijackers began shouting "Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest." With the sounds of the passenger counterattack continuing, the aircraft plowed into an empty field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 580 miles per hour, about 20 minutes' flying time from Washington, D.C.89

              Jarrah's objective was to crash his airliner into symbols of the American Republic, the Capitol or the White House. He was defeated by the alerted, unarmed passengers of United 93.


              Comment

              Related Threads

              Collapse

              Topics Statistics Last Post
              Started by Ronson, 09-17-2021, 08:16 PM
              10 responses
              71 views
              0 likes
              Last Post Cow Poke  
              Started by Cow Poke, 09-17-2021, 05:33 PM
              9 responses
              63 views
              0 likes
              Last Post Stoic
              by Stoic
               
              Started by Sparko, 09-17-2021, 02:13 PM
              41 responses
              209 views
              1 like
              Last Post Cow Poke  
              Started by Cow Poke, 09-17-2021, 01:05 PM
              15 responses
              85 views
              1 like
              Last Post Gondwanaland  
              Started by seer, 09-16-2021, 09:23 AM
              12 responses
              136 views
              0 likes
              Last Post seer
              by seer
               
              Working...
              X