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    Supreme Court rebukes Biden twice

    Somebody had started a thread (perhaps more than "a" thread) on how often SCOTUS rebuked Trump, supposedly showing how bad Trump's leadership was.

    That sword cuts both ways...

    ANALYSIS/OPINION:


    This might be reminiscent of an old Johnny Carson-Ed McMahon comedy routine—if it weren’t so unfunny.

    Q: How lawless is the Biden administration?

    A: It’s so lawless that the Supreme Court delivered two sharp rebukes last week alone, two days apart—in one instance ordering the administration to stop doing something, and in the other case, to resume doing something it shouldn’t have stopped doing.

    On Aug. 26, a 6-3 majority told President Joe Biden that he had no authority to grant unilaterally an extension of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s eviction moratorium.

    The moratorium—aimed at keeping people from being displaced from their homes if they couldn’t pay their mortgages or rents due to coronavirus-related joblessness—had lapsed on July 31. Mr. Biden then authorized the CDC to extend the moratorium through Oct. 3, even though it had been struck down by the justices in a June 29 ruling—although they allowed it to remain in place until its scheduled expiration. (We’re unclear on how something unconstitutional can nonetheless be allowed to stand, even for 32 days, but we’ll save that discussion for another time.)

    Mr. Biden as much as admitted he was flouting the Constitution and the rule of law when, on Aug. 3, he brazenly admitted, “The bulk of the constitutional scholars say it’s not likely to pass constitutional muster. But at a minimum, by the time it gets litigated, it will probably give some additional time while we’re getting that $45 billion [in federal coronavirus relief funds] out to people who are in fact behind in the rent and don’t have the money.”

    The implication that it might be litigated endlessly as a dilatory tactic might have been what forced the justices to act in what for them was rather short order in slapping the Biden diktat down.


    The other one had to do with the "Remain in Mexico" policy of the Trump administration...

    That Supreme Court rebuke came just two days after the justices told Mr. Biden on Aug. 24 that his administration could not end the Trump administration’s “Remain in Mexico” policy for asylum seekers and would-be illegal aliens apprehended at the southern border.

    Again on a 6-3 vote, the justices upheld a lower court ruling favoring Texas and Missouri, which had challenged the administration’s decision to end the Migrant Protection Protocols.

    The policy had significantly reduced the torrent of illegals flooding across the border. Still, the Biden administration argued—implausibly and falsely—that being required to reinstate the program would result in “irreparable harm” and “threaten to create a diplomatic and humanitarian crisis.” No, the truly irreparable harm is to national sovereignty from the president’s open-borders policies, which are what’s causing a genuine humanitarian crisis.

    The lower court had found that Mr. Biden had violated the Administrative Procedures Act when he ended the Trump program. It said the administration must make a “good-faith effort” to reimplement the program, which it had suspended almost immediately upon taking office in January, triggering a sharp spike in illegal immigration.

    The high court wrote that the administration had “failed to show a likelihood of success on the claim that the memorandum rescinding the Migrant Protection Protocols was not arbitrary and capricious.”

    However, perhaps the most disturbing aspect of both rulings was that, in dissenting, the three liberal activist justices—Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan—were willing to allow the president to flout the Constitution and the law. Shame on them.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Supreme Court rebukes Biden twice

    Somebody had started a thread (perhaps more than "a" thread) on how often SCOTUS rebuked Trump, supposedly showing how bad Trump's leadership was.

    That sword cuts both ways...

    ANALYSIS/OPINION:


    This might be reminiscent of an old Johnny Carson-Ed McMahon comedy routine—if it weren’t so unfunny.

    Q: How lawless is the Biden administration?

    A: It’s so lawless that the Supreme Court delivered two sharp rebukes last week alone, two days apart—in one instance ordering the administration to stop doing something, and in the other case, to resume doing something it shouldn’t have stopped doing.

    On Aug. 26, a 6-3 majority told President Joe Biden that he had no authority to grant unilaterally an extension of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s eviction moratorium.

    The moratorium—aimed at keeping people from being displaced from their homes if they couldn’t pay their mortgages or rents due to coronavirus-related joblessness—had lapsed on July 31. Mr. Biden then authorized the CDC to extend the moratorium through Oct. 3, even though it had been struck down by the justices in a June 29 ruling—although they allowed it to remain in place until its scheduled expiration. (We’re unclear on how something unconstitutional can nonetheless be allowed to stand, even for 32 days, but we’ll save that discussion for another time.)

    Mr. Biden as much as admitted he was flouting the Constitution and the rule of law when, on Aug. 3, he brazenly admitted, “The bulk of the constitutional scholars say it’s not likely to pass constitutional muster. But at a minimum, by the time it gets litigated, it will probably give some additional time while we’re getting that $45 billion [in federal coronavirus relief funds] out to people who are in fact behind in the rent and don’t have the money.”

    The implication that it might be litigated endlessly as a dilatory tactic might have been what forced the justices to act in what for them was rather short order in slapping the Biden diktat down.


    The other one had to do with the "Remain in Mexico" policy of the Trump administration...

    That Supreme Court rebuke came just two days after the justices told Mr. Biden on Aug. 24 that his administration could not end the Trump administration’s “Remain in Mexico” policy for asylum seekers and would-be illegal aliens apprehended at the southern border.

    Again on a 6-3 vote, the justices upheld a lower court ruling favoring Texas and Missouri, which had challenged the administration’s decision to end the Migrant Protection Protocols.

    The policy had significantly reduced the torrent of illegals flooding across the border. Still, the Biden administration argued—implausibly and falsely—that being required to reinstate the program would result in “irreparable harm” and “threaten to create a diplomatic and humanitarian crisis.” No, the truly irreparable harm is to national sovereignty from the president’s open-borders policies, which are what’s causing a genuine humanitarian crisis.

    The lower court had found that Mr. Biden had violated the Administrative Procedures Act when he ended the Trump program. It said the administration must make a “good-faith effort” to reimplement the program, which it had suspended almost immediately upon taking office in January, triggering a sharp spike in illegal immigration.

    The high court wrote that the administration had “failed to show a likelihood of success on the claim that the memorandum rescinding the Migrant Protection Protocols was not arbitrary and capricious.”

    However, perhaps the most disturbing aspect of both rulings was that, in dissenting, the three liberal activist justices—Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan—were willing to allow the president to flout the Constitution and the law. Shame on them.
    You are forgetting that liberals have written the court off as hoplessly partisan.

    This means Scotus rebuking Trump was meaningful, Scotus rebuking Biden is merely evidence they need to "reform" the court by appointing 4 more liberal judges.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
      You are forgetting that liberals have written the court off as hoplessly partisan.
      A view that would seem vindicated by the fact that SCOTUS keeps making decisions split down partisan lines among the SCOTUS justices like those referenced in the OP.

      This means Scotus rebuking Trump was meaningful
      Objectively speaking, if even justices a President themselves appointed rule against them as well as other justices appointed by the party the President is from, that would seem far stronger evidence that the President is in the wrong, than if only judges appointed by the other party rule against the President.

      Scotus rebuking Biden is merely evidence they need to "reform" the court by appointing 4 more liberal judges.
      Pretty much.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        A view that would seem vindicated by the fact that SCOTUS keeps making decisions split down partisan lines among the SCOTUS justices like those referenced in the OP.

        Objectively speaking, if even justices a President themselves appointed rule against them as well as other justices appointed by the party the President is from, that would seem far stronger evidence that the President is in the wrong, than if only judges appointed by the other party rule against the President.

        Pretty much.
        The democrats don't care if they have a partisan court, it just needs to be partisan in their favor.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
          The democrats don't care if they have a partisan court, it just needs to be partisan in their favor.
          I agree, except for the part where you limit it to "the democrats" as if republicans weren't perfectly happy with a partisan court in their favor.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

            The democrats don't care if they have a partisan court, it just needs to be partisan in their favor.
            Which is why they never talk about increasing the size of the court when they're getting the rulings they want.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              I agree, except for the part where you limit it to "the democrats" as if republicans weren't perfectly happy with a partisan court in their favor.
              Can you show where the Republicans have advocated increasing the size of the court in recent decades?

              I just did a quick Google, and I find a bunch of items where the Democrats are pushing it, and the Republicans are fighting it - even wanting Constitutional amendments to prevent it.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Can you show where the Republicans have advocated increasing the size of the court in recent decades?
                The Republicans have had the majority in SCOTUS for more than 50 years (since 1969 I think). Obviously they are happy with a partisan court in their favor.

                It would be pretty weird of them to advocate for increasing the size of the court in order to have a majority when they already have a majority, which is what you seem to be asking for.

                In the last 52 years there have been 20 SCOTUS justices appointed, 16 by Republican presidents, 4 by Democratic ones. Democrats have put up with Republicans having the majority on SCOTUS for 50 years straight. Why should they continue to do so? Especially given the increasingly partisan split decisions we are seeing from SCOTUS, and the recent stunts Republicans have pulled around not letting Obama appoint a nominee with more than a year to go in his term, but being happy to seat Trump's nominee a week before the election. If Democrats have it within their legal power to change things, why on earth wouldn't they do so?
                Last edited by Starlight; 09-02-2021, 06:51 PM.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  The Republicans have had the majority in SCOTUS for decades (since 1969 I think). Obviously they are happy with a partisan court in their favor.

                  It would be pretty weird of them to advocate for increasing the size of the court in order to have a majority when they already have a majority, which is what you seem to be asking for.
                  Meh - just like "the nuclear option", both sides have to keep in mind that they won't always be in power.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    The Republicans have had the majority in SCOTUS for more than 50 years (since 1969 I think). Obviously they are happy with a partisan court in their favor.

                    It would be pretty weird of them to advocate for increasing the size of the court in order to have a majority when they already have a majority, which is what you seem to be asking for.

                    In the last 52 years there have been 20 SCOTUS justices appointed, 16 by Republican presidents, 4 by Democratic ones. Democrats have put up with Republicans having the majority on SCOTUS for 50 years straight. Why should they continue to do so? Especially given the increasingly partisan split decisions we are seeing from SCOTUS, and the recent stunts Republicans have pulled around not letting Obama appoint a nominee with more than a year to go in his term, but being happy to seat Trump's nominee a week before the election. If Democrats have it within their legal power to change things, why on earth wouldn't they do so?
                    Depends on what you mean by "majority" when you had justices like William Brennan, who while nominated by Eisenhower, a Republican, was universally regarded as the leader of the court's liberal wing for decades.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Meh - just like "the nuclear option", both sides have to keep in mind that they won't always be in power.
                      If the alternative is 100% Republican control of SCOTUS for decades (which with the current 6-3 Republican majority, SCOTUS looks like it will to continue its 50+ year streak of unbroken Republican majorities for at least another 20 years), the rational choice for the Dems would indeed be to take the option of having themselves control SCOTUS when they are in power and having the Republicans do the same when they are in power. That would at least be an even playing field, unlike the current 100% Republican control.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        If the alternative is 100% Republican control of SCOTUS for decades (which with the current 6-3 Republican majority, SCOTUS looks like it will to continue its 50+ year streak of unbroken Republican majorities for at least another 20 years), the rational choice for the Dems would indeed be to take the option of having themselves control SCOTUS when they are in power and having the Republicans do the same when they are in power. That would at least be an even playing field, unlike the current 100% Republican control.
                        Elections have consequences.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Elections have consequences.
                          Indeed, so the Dems should use the power they've been given.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            Indeed, so the Dems should use the power they've been given.
                            To fill vacancies when they occur, yes.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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