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  • I have a question for those who are on board with vaccine passports

    I don't know if this has been addressed elsewhere, as I have not been following most of the discussions regarding this.

    It just came to me this morning and I don't think I've heard anything about this on the news or anywhere else.

    If we are required to use proof of vaccination to travel or to shop or, in an instance I read about this morning, one church in Canada who is now requiring proof in order to enter the the church to worship, do people who have not been vaccinated but have had covid have to get vaccinated in order to have the passport?

    If they have natural immunity from having the virus, why would they need to be vaccinated, too? Are there going to be exemptions for these folk, or will they have to take the vaccine anyway?

    Don't know where this thought came from, but every once in a while I have one!


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  • #2
    I'm sorry but you forgot to present your papers before posting. Would you please follow these two nice gentlemen (apologies for assuming gender) who have a few questions to ask?


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    • #3
      Yeah. That doesn't answer my questions!



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      • #4
        Originally posted by mossrose View Post
        Yeah. That doesn't answer my questions!

        The two nice gentlemen escorting you to a backroom will just love to discuss all sorts of things.

        I'm always still in trouble again

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        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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        • #5


          I guess that means you don't know, either.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by mossrose View Post
            I don't know if this has been addressed elsewhere, as I have not been following most of the discussions regarding this.

            It just came to me this morning and I don't think I've heard anything about this on the news or anywhere else.

            If we are required to use proof of vaccination to travel or to shop or, in an instance I read about this morning, one church in Canada who is now requiring proof in order to enter the the church to worship, do people who have not been vaccinated but have had covid have to get vaccinated in order to have the passport?

            If they have natural immunity from having the virus, why would they need to be vaccinated, too? Are there going to be exemptions for these folk, or will they have to take the vaccine anyway?

            Don't know where this thought came from, but every once in a while I have one!
            Let me try from what I've read in the news.

            Providing proof seems to depend on country and locality. To shop or go out to eat, I currently have no requirements. There are restrictions for visiting patients in hospitals. Did voluntarily provide proof of vaccination to my employer. There does seem to be a lot of pressure being put on businesses to enforce mandatory vaccines among their employees.

            Natural immunity doesn't count for anything. You're treated like unvaccinated.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
              I don't know if this has been addressed elsewhere, as I have not been following most of the discussions regarding this.

              It just came to me this morning and I don't think I've heard anything about this on the news or anywhere else.

              If we are required to use proof of vaccination to travel or to shop or, in an instance I read about this morning, one church in Canada who is now requiring proof in order to enter the the church to worship, do people who have not been vaccinated but have had covid have to get vaccinated in order to have the passport?

              If they have natural immunity from having the virus, why would they need to be vaccinated, too? Are there going to be exemptions for these folk, or will they have to take the vaccine anyway?

              Don't know where this thought came from, but every once in a while I have one!
              Yuh!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post


                I guess that means you don't know, either.
                I'm only here to ask for your papers and to signal the nice gentlemen when I encounter a scofflaw.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                  Let me try from what I've read in the news.

                  Providing proof seems to depend on country and locality. To shop or go out to eat, I currently have no requirements. There are restrictions for visiting patients in hospitals. Did voluntarily provide proof of vaccination to my employer. There does seem to be a lot of pressure being put on businesses to enforce mandatory vaccines among their employees.
                  Okay, I understand that. For example, the province of Alberta, at this time, is not mandating the passports for anything. The one church I mentioned in the op, located in Calgary, has mandated that all congregants must have proof of vaccination. That is the only place in this province, as of now, that I have heard of. I don't know if proof is required for visiting in hospitals here, and have not encountered any businesses that require it.

                  The federal government is talking about it, but our Premier is, at this time, standing firm against that.

                  But BC announced yesterday that if you want to travel in BC you have to have proof. If you live in another province, you have to apply for one of their proof cards before you can travel there. I don't know if you are aware of it, but BC relies heavily on tourism. I for one will be refusing to get any sort of "vaccine passport" at any time, so I will not be travelling there again to see my sister who lives on Vancouver Island. I am sure many others will feel as I do and the tourism business of BC will be set back.......again.

                  Natural immunity doesn't count for anything. You're treated like unvaccinated.
                  Okay, that answers my question about that. Now, will that person have to get vaccinated in order to get a passport?



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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mossrose View Post

                    Okay, I understand that. For example, the province of Alberta, at this time, is not mandating the passports for anything. The one church I mentioned in the op, located in Calgary, has mandated that all congregants must have proof of vaccination. That is the only place in this province, as of now, that I have heard of. I don't know if proof is required for visiting in hospitals here, and have not encountered any businesses that require it.

                    The federal government is talking about it, but our Premier is, at this time, standing firm against that.

                    But BC announced yesterday that if you want to travel in BC you have to have proof. If you live in another province, you have to apply for one of their proof cards before you can travel there. I don't know if you are aware of it, but BC relies heavily on tourism. I for one will be refusing to get any sort of "vaccine passport" at any time, so I will not be travelling there again to see my sister who lives on Vancouver Island. I am sure many others will feel as I do and the tourism business of BC will be set back.......again.

                    Okay, that answers my question about that. Now, will that person have to get vaccinated in order to get a passport?
                    In my opinion from what I've seen/read, a person with natural immunity will still need to be vaccinated in order to get a passport.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                      In my opinion from what I've seen/read, a person with natural immunity will still need to be vaccinated in order to get a passport.
                      Which I find utterly ridiculous. Thanks for your clarity!


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                      • #12
                        As an entrepreneurial pirate I am willing to sell vaccine passports to whomever needs one for a mere $10,000 in gold and 1 ton of bacon (American of course) - Extra if you want it spell checked.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                          I don't know if this has been addressed elsewhere, as I have not been following most of the discussions regarding this.

                          It just came to me this morning and I don't think I've heard anything about this on the news or anywhere else.

                          If we are required to use proof of vaccination to travel or to shop or, in an instance I read about this morning, one church in Canada who is now requiring proof in order to enter the the church to worship, do people who have not been vaccinated but have had covid have to get vaccinated in order to have the passport?

                          If they have natural immunity from having the virus, why would they need to be vaccinated, too? Are there going to be exemptions for these folk, or will they have to take the vaccine anyway?

                          Don't know where this thought came from, but every once in a while I have one!
                          If we were in a normal world, run by technocrats and elites who weren't authoritarian sociopaths, the answer would be that you would be required to show you have immunity, whether via vaccine or natural immunity. For now, you might be able to finagle a way of doing it without vaccine but it depends on how evil the authoritarians are that you live under (I believe there are some countries that require proof you have antibodies -- which means you've got to at least get tested). But since we know we are run by authoritarian sociopaths bent on total control of the populace, eventually vaccine will be the only way out of this.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            As an entrepreneurial pirate I am willing to sell vaccine passports to whomever needs one for a mere $10,000 in gold and 1 ton of bacon (American of course) - Extra if you want it spell checked.
                            From news reports, it appears China is the main supplier of fake vaccination passports and, as expected, many of the cards do contain spelling mistakes.

                            In mid July, two travellers flying to Canada from the US were each fined $19,720 for presenting fake vaccination passports and fake COVID testing documents. I assume the two people are from the same household, so this was a very expensive lesson for them. I'm not sure of the couple's nationality, but I've read that they are Canadians who were returning from a holiday in the US. They actually got off lightly, since the maximum penalty is a fine of $750,000 and six months in jail.

                            A few days ago, a family of four from Florida was fined a total of $8,000 when they presented fake vaccination passports at a Hawaiian airport. The couple didn't think this through very well, since in addition to fake passports for themselves they also had passports for their children aged 4 and 5, who are clearly too young to have been vaccinated.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Reepicheep View Post

                              From news reports, it appears China is the main supplier of fake vaccination passports and, as expected, many of the cards do contain spelling mistakes.

                              In mid July, two travellers flying to Canada from the US were each fined $19,720 for presenting fake vaccination passports and fake COVID testing documents. I assume the two people are from the same household, so this was a very expensive lesson for them. I'm not sure of the couple's nationality, but I've read that they are Canadians who were returning from a holiday in the US. They actually got off lightly, since the maximum penalty is a fine of $750,000 and six months in jail.

                              A few days ago, a family of four from Florida was fined a total of $8,000 when they presented fake vaccination passports at a Hawaiian airport. The couple didn't think this through very well, since in addition to fake passports for themselves they also had passports for their children aged 4 and 5, who are clearly too young to have been vaccinated.
                              Interesting information, but I'm not sure fake passports are appropriate to discuss in this particular thread.

                              Aside from the pirate's silliness, of course.


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