The Russians have a perfect excuse for being in Crimea. Maybe it owes Russia much money. If so, Putin could say, "Crimea doesn't pay!"
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A thought on Crimea (Butler Shaffer's anyway)
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Crimea river got old fast. This one came mummified straight out of the can."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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I saw two stories at the top of Drudge, and had the choice between reading about Crimea or reading about an event the US actually has the personnel, influence and infrastructure to deal with if it wanted:
On Sunday, city police responded to a call involving 10-15 people fighting at the gym’s Cleveland Avenue location. It started all on the basketball court over a call and escalated, moving into the main fitness area.
“People were actually throwing two and a half, five, 10 pound weights within the building,” said Police Lt. Lorne Rosand.
Absolutely disgraceful. If I got into a gym fight and anything less than 25-pound plates were found thrown, I'd turn in my man card immediately.
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Darth Executor, better unsubscribe now before you see this:
[Thomas DiLorenzo says he] recently heard a rumor that the Crimeans are considering novel ways of coming up with money to pay all their debts, including suing the American song writer Arthur Hamilton, author of the song “Cry Me a River,” for stealing the title from The Crimea River.
Oh, dear D.E., you are in tears! Don't say I didn't warn you.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Kerry threatening Russia...
http://washingtonexaminer.com/john-k...rticle/2545610
I don't know what US hopes to achieve here. Russia pretty much holds all the cards: strategically, militarily, and economically.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostKerry threatening Russia...
http://washingtonexaminer.com/john-k...rticle/2545610
I don't know what US hopes to achieve here. Russia pretty much holds all the cards: strategically, militarily, and economically.
Russia is a paper tiger. The US could cripple them economically just by selling gas to Europe. And there's simply no contest between the Russian and US military. If I was president I'd be moving troops into Ukraine and headbutting envirowhackjobs standing against exporting gas left and right. The only reason why Putin is doing this is because he doesn't think Obama has the stones to stop him, and he's probably right."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostPeace in our time!
Russia is a paper tiger. The US could cripple them economically just by selling gas to Europe. And there's simply no contest between the Russian and US military. If I was president I'd be moving troops into Ukraine and headbutting envirowhackjobs standing against exporting gas left and right. The only reason why Putin is doing this is because he doesn't think Obama has the stones to stop him, and he's probably right.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostRussia owns a lot of our debt in US bonds, which they could easily dump on the open market. This would even be worse if this ends up a China/Russia collaboration. The fed would have to quickly print up even more money to buy up those bonds.
which was basically just chasing invaders back to their own country
Nevermind that Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for protection. Refusing to defend them would be pure treason.Last edited by Darth Executor; 03-14-2014, 09:06 PM."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostIE: Nothing will happen to the US. China won't even get involved.
What do you think chasing Russia back to Russia would be? The US has no trouble with conventional warfare. It would mop the floor with Russia's decrepit rust buckets. Not to mention that Putin stupidly tries to build a multicultural empire. It would be the perfect opportunity for the many populations Russia keeps hostage within its border to start causing trouble.
Nevermind that Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for protection. Refusing to defend them would be pure treason.
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I'm basing US military strength on its size, tech level and training. You seem to think that because the US military can't fix the innate cultural problems of third world crapholes then the US military must suck, which is like saying the US military sucks because it can't bake cookies. When it comes to fighting conventional forces it's utterly destroyed any conventional resistance in record time. The problem with countries like afghanistan and iraq is that their cultures aren't going to change overnight. If they can be changed at all by outsiders. So unless you want the US to rule them like Saddam did (rape dungeons and all) there's no "victory" to be had. I don't see what third world barbarians have to do with Russia though. I'm not asking for an invasion of Russia, I'm asking to send military forces to protect a friendly country from a conventional foreign military, which is well within the US's capabilities.
I can tell what they're likely to do because I know the relative power difference is decisively in the west's favor. They can't do much to us, whereas we can hurt them and hurt them badly if we want to. If anything it would be great to be rid of free trade contracts with countries like China. Maybe then US corporations might hire more people at home."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI'm basing US military strength on its size, tech level and training. You seem to think that because the US military can't fix the innate cultural problems of third world crapholes then the US military must suck, which is like saying the US military sucks because it can't bake cookies. When it comes to fighting conventional forces it's utterly destroyed any conventional resistance in record time. The problem with countries like afghanistan and iraq is that their cultures aren't going to change overnight. If they can be changed at all by outsiders. So unless you want the US to rule them like Saddam did (rape dungeons and all) there's no "victory" to be had. I don't see what third world barbarians have to do with Russia though. I'm not asking for an invasion of Russia, I'm asking to send military forces to protect a friendly country from a conventional foreign military, which is well within the US's capabilities.
I can tell what they're likely to do because I know the relative power difference is decisively in the west's favor. They can't do much to us, whereas we can hurt them and hurt them badly if we want to. If anything it would be great to be rid of free trade contracts with countries like China. Maybe then US corporations might hire more people at home.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostCorporations in China would have no reason or incentive to move back to the west one way or the other as long as it's cheaper to run their businesses there than here, so that has little relevancy with this issue.
You apparently don't understand the implications of a country like China dumping our bonds"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostWe can cut off their access to Western markets. And China is still ruled by authoritarians that could take their crap away. They don't want to be stranded there.
No, you don't understand that we can hurt them a lot more than they can hurt us. They need our markets, we don't need their labor, we just have it because it's cheap. Exports to US and its allies amount to almost 10% of their GDP. Selling the US Treasury's Monopoly Money isn't worth it.
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Originally posted by Darth ExecutorRefusing to defend them would be pure treason.
Call of Duty scenarios aside, Barack Obama is neither a diplomat nor a general, and will cave because he has no idea what to do with a military other than cut its funding.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWhy would the US cut off corporations like AT&T, Adidas, Dell computers from western markets (I'm assuming that's what you meant since you responded to the section I was referring to western corporations in China)?
That makes absolutely no sense. You still don't understand the ramifications of a US bond dump. Dumping our debt won't stop China exports."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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