Mass Psychosis

[mikewhitney]

No, we are getting experts contradicting a random doctor.


Hoffe certainly does seem to be low-hanging fruit. Do you have anyone better?


You are welcome to try to find better sources. But the fact that they say what you want to hear is not evidence that they are a better source.

haha. that well applies to you. You have a random "expert" chosen for the message given. Factcheckers do not seem to check for the body of testimonies but rather for the low-hanging fruit.

I do not wish to hear that covid shots are highly experimental. I do not wish to hear that people are dying from the covid shots nor that others suffer from debilitating long-lasting injuries.

There are too many field doctors and vaccine experts (or people in the medical/pharma industry) pointing out problems. I selected out a doctor that specifically matched the question you asked. Many doctors and nurses are either quitting or being fired for not taking the experimental shots. So we have the body of testimony there. However, if you like the NYT with anonymous expert sources, that is your life and your choice. I'm just trying to introduce you and others to the testimony but I can't force you investigate these things.

Like I mentioned to Sparko, the Ivermectin studies are plentiful. However, these are simply disregarded as conspiracy theories by Sparko. There is never any investigation into things like that. I think that people just don't think it is important enough to actually dig deep into the details even of something as pervasive as the covid fiasco, even when we see Fauci giving ten different contradicting opinions but still seen as the savior of the world.

[Sparko]

haha. that well applies to you. You have a random "expert" chosen for the message given. Factcheckers do not seem to check for the body of testimonies but rather for the low-hanging fruit.

I do not wish to hear that covid shots are highly experimental. I do not wish to hear that people are dying from the covid shots nor that others suffer from debilitating long-lasting injuries.

There are too many field doctors and vaccine experts (or people in the medical/pharma industry) pointing out problems. I selected out a doctor that specifically matched the question you asked. Many doctors and nurses are either quitting or being fired for not taking the experimental shots. So we have the body of testimony there. However, if you like the NYT with anonymous expert sources, that is your life and your choice. I'm just trying to introduce you and others to the testimony but I can't force you investigate these things.

Like I mentioned to Sparko, the Ivermectin studies are plentiful. However, these are simply disregarded as conspiracy theories by Sparko. There is never any investigation into things like that. I think that people just don't think it is important enough to actually dig deep into the details even of something as pervasive as the covid fiasco, even when we see Fauci giving ten different contradicting opinions but still seen as the savior of the world.

Hey I never said the Ivermectin studies were "conspiracy theories" - I just haven't seen any reliable ones by anyone trusted by the medical community. Feel free to show me some. But even if Ivermectin does help, it is not a cure. It would be a treatment, one that could have it's own side effects or might not even work. Better to get the vaccine and not catch COVID in the first place.

[Mountain Man]

Pointing to a 600+ post thread is hand-waving.

You expect me to summarize the thread for you. Nothin' doin', chump.

[Mountain Man]

There are too many field doctors and vaccine experts (or people in the medical/pharma industry) pointing out problems. I selected out a doctor that specifically matched the question you asked. Many doctors and nurses are either quitting or being fired for not taking the experimental shots. So we have the body of testimony there.

A hospital in New York was forced to shutdown its maternity due to an exodus of staff who refuse to participate in the China flu vaccine experiment.

[mikewhitney]

Hey I never said the Ivermectin studies were "conspiracy theories" - I just haven't seen any reliable ones by anyone trusted by the medical community. Feel free to show me some. But even if Ivermectin does help, it is not a cure. It would be a treatment, one that could have it's own side effects or might not even work. Better to get the vaccine and not catch COVID in the first place.

Ivermectin is used prophylactically. No reason to get an experimental shot with high numbers of deaths. How is the medical community defined if not inclusive of all these doctors who have done these studies? You are saying that the medical community itself does not trust the studies it does. We see that the medical community did not trust the Roman meta analysis -- so it seems the medical community actually favors the positive effects of Ivermectin. How can 73 peer-reviewed studies be insufficient to reliably inform the medical community? And who is the medical community you have in mind? What do they find wrong with these 73 studies (plus the additional studies not peer reviewed -- over a hundred studies total)? These are the questions that have not been answered by the anti-treatment and anti-Ivermectin posters here.

Also, we are finding that the covid shots first are not helping stop the spread of the virus. They also cause all these deaths and injuries. Plus, the shots may be promoting an environment for variants to form.

[Sparko]

Ivermectin is used prophylactically. No reason to get an experimental shot with high numbers of deaths. How is the medical community defined if not inclusive of all these doctors who have done these studies? You are saying that the medical community itself does not trust the studies it does. We see that the medical community did not trust the Roman meta analysis -- so it seems the medical community actually favors the positive effects of Ivermectin. How can 73 peer-reviewed studies be insufficient to reliably inform the medical community? And who is the medical community you have in mind? What do they find wrong with these 73 studies (plus the additional studies not peer reviewed -- over a hundred studies total)? These are the questions that have not been answered by the anti-treatment and anti-Ivermectin posters here.

Also, we are finding that the covid shots first are not helping stop the spread of the virus. They also cause all these deaths and injuries. Plus, the shots may be promoting an environment for variants to form.

So pick the best study and post it here then. Just make sure it isn't that one that Stoic found was a fraud. I will check it out.

What do you think about convalescent antibodies? That seems to be the go-to treatment for people who catch COVID. But it is still better to get the vaccine and at least have some protection.

[Stoic]

You expect me to summarize the thread for you. Nothin' doin', chump.

No one's asking you to summarize the whole thread.

To recap:

Stoic: "It's not that hard for a doctor to avoid spreading misinformation about vaccines."

MM: "Except in this case, informed disagreement is being falsely labeled "misinformation" and suppressed under coercion."

Stoic: "What "informed disagreement" do you think is being falsely labeled misinformation and suppressed under coercion?"

To be specific, what I'm looking for an example of a doctor who has made a claim about the vaccines, where the claim has been falsely labeled "misinformation" and the doctor's opinion has been suppressed under coercion.

You state rather confidently that such an example (maybe even more than one) is in this thread somewhere. Your unwillingness to be more specific indicates to me that you just want to see how much of my time you can waste. That's not going to work.

It's your claim, so your burden of proof.

[NorrinRadd]

Hey I never said the Ivermectin studies were "conspiracy theories" - I just haven't seen any reliable ones by anyone trusted by the medical community. Feel free to show me some. But even if Ivermectin does help, it is not a cure. It would be a treatment, one that could have it's own side effects or might not even work. Better to get the vaccine and not catch COVID in the first place.

That might be the case, if such a vax existed. Such is not the case.

[Mountain Man]

No one's asking you to summarize the whole thread.

To recap:

Stoic: "It's not that hard for a doctor to avoid spreading misinformation about vaccines."

MM: "Except in this case, informed disagreement is being falsely labeled "misinformation" and suppressed under coercion."

Stoic: "What "informed disagreement" do you think is being falsely labeled misinformation and suppressed under coercion?"

To be specific, what I'm looking for an example of a doctor who has made a claim about the vaccines, where the claim has been falsely labeled "misinformation" and the doctor's opinion has been suppressed under coercion.

You state rather confidently that such an example (maybe even more than one) is in this thread somewhere. Your unwillingness to be more specific indicates to me that you just want to see how much of my time you can waste. That's not going to work.

It's your claim, so your burden of proof.

Wow, are you really that dense? Earlier I posted a letter from licensing agencies that outright threatened doctors with losing their licenses and certifications if they dared to publicly contradict the state approved narrative. Why would they have to do that if, as we are led to believe, there really is widespread agreement among medical professionals about the China flu and its remedies? If you've been paying any attention to this thread, or seeking out other opinions with an open mind, then you know there is plenty of room for informed disagreement, but doctors are told, "No, sorry, that's all 'misinformation', and we will take away your livelihoods if you utter a word of it publicly."

So what I said is perfectly true: informed disagreement is being falsely labeled "misinformation" and suppressed under coercion.

[Mountain Man]

In other news, a new study suggests that 50% of all China flu hospitalizations are for mild or asymptomatic cases.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottm...-were-n2595832

[Sparko]

That might be the case, if such a vax existed. Such is not the case.

The vaccine lowers your chance of catching it considerably. No vaccine is perfect. But from what I have read the chances you catch COVID if you are fully vaccinated and have a healthy immune system is 0.05% and of those only 9% required hospitalization. Which works out to 99.99% of vaccinated people NOT ending up in the hospital with a severe breakthrough case.

[Stoic]

Wow, are you really that dense? Earlier I posted a letter from licensing agencies that outright threatened doctors with losing their licenses and certifications if they dared to publicly contradict the state approved narrative. Why would they have to do that if, as we are led to believe, there really is widespread agreement among medical professionals about the China flu and its remedies? If you've been paying any attention to this thread, or seeking out other opinions with an open mind, then you know there is plenty of room for informed disagreement, but doctors are told, "No, sorry, that's all 'misinformation', and we will take away your livelihoods if you utter a word of it publicly."

So what I said is perfectly true: informed disagreement is being falsely labeled "misinformation" and suppressed under coercion.

"To be specific, I'm looking for an example of a doctor who has made a claim about the vaccines, where the claim has been falsely labeled "misinformation" and the doctor's opinion has been suppressed under coercion."

Another poster tried to provide such an example, and failed miserably. You seem to be afraid to try.

[Mountain Man]

"To be specific, I'm looking for an example of a doctor who has made a claim about the vaccines, where the claim has been falsely labeled "misinformation" and the doctor's opinion has been suppressed under coercion."

Another poster tried to provide such an example, and failed miserably. You seem to be afraid to try.

It's not that I'm "afraid to try"; rather, you're demanding that I provide evidence for something I never claimed.

[Stoic]

In other news, a new study suggests that 50% of all China flu hospitalizations are for mild or asymptomatic cases.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottm...-were-n2595832

They make a good point.

ICU beds utilized for covid-19 patients is probably a more reliable metric.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hos...on-7-day-trend

[Roy]

Then:

You're a nut. Next you're going to tell us that the government is using vaccines to secretly conduct nefarious experiments on the population.

Now:

A hospital in New York was forced to shutdown its maternity due to an exodus of staff who refuse to participate in the China flu vaccine experiment.