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  • #76
    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
    If I find a scientist who proves himself worthy of listening to...That person would have to establish some credibility
    Translation: You judge whether they're worth listening too based on whether they tell you what you want to hear.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Translation: You judge whether they're worth listening too based on whether they tell you what you want to hear.
      Failed. You were not able to translate things properly, so you have further obstacles to overcome to prove your information useful.

      You might get some credibility if you sound reasonable in the analysis of a study. This may be a point at which we find agreement in what is good in a study and what is bad.
      Last edited by mikewhitney; 08-05-2021, 11:46 PM.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
        You might get some credibility if you sound reasonable in the analysis of a study. This may be a point at which we find agreement in what is good in a study and what is bad.
        You lack the skills and competencies needed to evaluate anything I might say about a study.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
          You lack the skills and competencies needed to evaluate anything I might say about a study.


          This sort of empty posturing reminds me of the bit from one of Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy books where Marvin the android is attempting to prove his intellectual superiority to a sentient mattress:

          “I am at a rough estimate thirty billion times more intelligent than you. Let me give you an example. Think of a number, any number.”
          “Er, five.”
          “Wrong. You see?”
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #80
            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

            If I find a scientist who proves himself worthy of listening to, I will pay attention to her or him. That person would have to establish some credibility and would have to review some of the studies that are relevant. Still looking for that person.

            I do hold out the possibility that what you are saying is correct, but that has yet to be established with any confidence.
            Mike what you seem to be doing is looking for people who agree with what you already believe. If they agree, then you consider them trustworthy and add anything they say to your set of beliefs. And you build from there. If they disagree, then they are the enemy and want to push poison into people's veins.

            And Isn't that website you were showing to Star the same one I went through with you and showed how you were misreading the data? Yet here you are using it again. I guess because I disagreed with you, you won't listen to me.

            You are using confirmation bias and not science.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

              No problems.

              My point was against people's perception of bias -- of forcing modern events into a preconceived pattern. I was trying to point out that bunches of even agnostic professionals are finding the media narrative as propaganda ... of promoting a panic that stops people from thinking logically. If things fit specific details which people feel matches their eschatological view, that is a separate discussion.
              No problem Mike, I know what your intentions were, it's all good.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

                We can ask the opposite question. How did the positive covid tests increase when everyone was at home? The first answer is that the PCR tests have a 97% false positive rate. How come we repeat stuff that did not supposedly stop the spread of a disease these last 16 months?

                Additionally Lockdowns violate God-given rights. They also are stealing away the livelihood of people. This is not just an economic issue since people also suffer untreated illnesses of other sorts plus there are increases in suicides, child and spouse abuse, drinking and drugs. There also are people getting prescriptions for depression.

                Your question about those with the experimental shots wearing masks has too many speculations to make it useful to answer. Then you talk about some hypothetical idea of a virus that is guaranteed to kill in two weeks. If we did find that the sars-cov-2 shots were not increasing the susceptibility to sickness and hospitalizations ... and instead we found that people were protected from death and harm, certainly people would probably want the shots instead of dying in 2 weeks. However, that does not mean we know that they will live 2 years or 5 years longer. We do not know if the people will end up with infertility and sickness that make them regret living longer.

                For the most part, we should stick with details pertinent to real facts we see today.
                What are these speculations? Wearing a mask reduces the spread of infected respiratory droplets. Vaccinated people can contract covid and spread infected respiratory droplets. Therefore, there is reason for vaccinated people to wear masks, especially when you consider the delta variant. It makes sense to me, so I don't understand your viewpoint that it's ineffective or doesn't make sense.

                Are you saying that PCR tests will give a false positive 97% of the time? If so, why would anyone even consider using them?

                My point with the hypothetical is that at some point you would decide to get the covid vaccine before waiting 5-10 years because you would feel the risks from infection outweigh the risks from vaccination.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Why would there have to be a threshold in his mind? That would only be true if he were rational.

                  Which part of him claiming utterly absurd numbers of deaths from vaccinations, peddling various unproven/disproven drugs to treat covid, and making ludicrous claims about PCR tests, makes you think he's in any way rational?
                  I don't, I'm just curious what his thinking process is. I live in a rather liberal state so anti-vaxers are few and far between.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post

                    I don't, I'm just curious what his thinking process is. I live in a rather liberal state so anti-vaxers are few and far between.
                    It sounds like you are in a state with anti-science sentiments. The concern right now is about this covid shot (not even fitting a tradition definition of vaccine) is either safe or effective. We are seeing countries where the hospitalizations are more for those who got the experimental covid shots. The shots given during an outbreak are against scientific advice which says that this would just promote ummm... variants.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post

                      What are these speculations? Wearing a mask reduces the spread of infected respiratory droplets. Vaccinated people can contract covid and spread infected respiratory droplets. Therefore, there is reason for vaccinated people to wear masks, especially when you consider the delta variant. It makes sense to me, so I don't understand your viewpoint that it's ineffective or doesn't make sense.

                      Are you saying that PCR tests will give a false positive 97% of the time? If so, why would anyone even consider using them?

                      My point with the hypothetical is that at some point you would decide to get the covid vaccine before waiting 5-10 years because you would feel the risks from infection outweigh the risks from vaccination.
                      Haha. Indeed. Why would anyone consider using the PCR process (which is not really a test -- it is just a multiplication process)? Kary Mullis, who invented the PCR process, did not have an lack of words to describe Fauci's incompetence. Yet, people are taking Fauci's advice rather than Mullis'.

                      Thanks for your recommendation. If this were not a new experimental technology ... and if previous attempts to create vaccines for coronavirus had not resulted in the mass death of lab animals ... the benefits might have outweighed the unknowns. People's acceptance of these shots is due to Mass Psychosis and the fear of this sickness which has safer treatments than these experiments.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                        Mike what you seem to be doing is looking for people who agree with what you already believe. If they agree, then you consider them trustworthy and add anything they say to your set of beliefs. And you build from there. If they disagree, then they are the enemy and want to push poison into people's veins.

                        And Isn't that website you were showing to Star the same one I went through with you and showed how you were misreading the data? Yet here you are using it again. I guess because I disagreed with you, you won't listen to me.

                        You are using confirmation bias and not science.
                        You are a one-trick pony. How do you assume to know everything I listen to? I am concerned that you hold your beliefs over against the science. Any time that the deaths and adverse effects are revealed concerning the shots, you don't investigate those. You just wave them away. This seems consistent with mass psychosis. You are willing to sacrifice lives through covid shots, suicides, drug-abuse, economic failure and failed futures. If you noticed, the news media never tells people how to improve their immune system nor does it tell people to stay calm -- another way of helping immunity. Nor does it share the scientific sources -- how many times do reports just say "experts say" without giving studies to verify the claims of the news reports? They cater to a dumbed-down society and people just eat it all up.

                        I listen to views from different angles. The ones who are pro-covid-shot always gloss over the data and facts. If Fauci or the media wish to make a good case for anything they are saying, we can take that into consideration. I do not wish for propaganda.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

                          You are a one-trick pony. How do you assume to know everything I listen to? I am concerned that you hold your beliefs over against the science.
                          That's one of your problems right there Mike. You think you know "science" but what is clear to me and most others is that you are suffering from a very bad case of Dunning-Kruger syndrome. You know very little science. Yet you present yourself as if you were an expert. But what you are doing is reading conspiracy websites and MISS-reading various papers and studies and then presenting bad results and stuff out of context and acting as if you were actually presenting good sources and a valid case and demanding others prove you wrong. But when anyone actually bothers to point out your errors, you just hand wave it away and continue to repeat the same nonsense over and over. Like the whole thing about the PCR iterations. Or claiming the "thousands of deaths" from the vaccine. Over and over people have shown you were wrong yet you continue to repeat it.

                          You basically just believe anything that you think supports your beliefs and reject anything that doesn't.



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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                            That's one of your problems right there Mike. You think you know "science" but what is clear to me and most others is that you are suffering from a very bad case of Dunning-Kruger syndrome. You know very little science. Yet you present yourself as if you were an expert. But what you are doing is reading conspiracy websites and MISS-reading various papers and studies and then presenting bad results and stuff out of context and acting as if you were actually presenting good sources and a valid case and demanding others prove you wrong. But when anyone actually bothers to point out your errors, you just hand wave it away and continue to repeat the same nonsense over and over. Like the whole thing about the PCR iterations. Or claiming the "thousands of deaths" from the vaccine. Over and over people have shown you were wrong yet you continue to repeat it.

                            You basically just believe anything that you think supports your beliefs and reject anything that doesn't.

                            You just are focused on this dunning-Kruger syndrome as if you figured out that everyone but you suffers from it. How on earth do you know what I have studied and either accepted or rejected? This represents weird assumptions and useless discussion. Maybe you can break out of these bad arguments and discuss facts instead.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

                              You just are focused on this dunning-Kruger syndrome as if you figured out that everyone but you suffers from it. How on earth do you know what I have studied and either accepted or rejected? This represents weird assumptions and useless discussion. Maybe you can break out of these bad arguments and discuss facts instead.
                              I know you suffer from it because I can see how wrong you are about what data you keep spouting. I never claim to be an expert but I know a damn bit more than you pretend to know. Like your reliance on Vaers anectdotal evidence. Or your misreading of that PCR study you keep quoting. Whenever anyone TRIES to discuss the facts with you, you are the one handwaving it away rather than dealing with it. You never admit to being wrong and you merely repeat the same disproven stuff later. At this point I don't find it useful to bother anymore. Wake up.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                                I know you suffer from it because I can see how wrong you are about what data you keep spouting. I never claim to be an expert but I know a damn bit more than you pretend to know. Like your reliance on Vaers anectdotal evidence. Or your misreading of that PCR study you keep quoting. Whenever anyone TRIES to discuss the facts with you, you are the one handwaving it away rather than dealing with it. You never admit to being wrong and you merely repeat the same disproven stuff later. At this point I don't find it useful to bother anymore. Wake up.
                                Not much I have shared has been proven wrong. The VAERS data is even trivial compared to what a whistleblower is sharing. She has access to data that is accumulated, as I understand the few facts shared, from medicare records and other sources that are accumulated and distributed. Her findings are that 45k deaths have occurred within 3 days of getting the shots. I presume these are all in the US and its territories. This is only the 3 day period. It does not include deaths from the experimental shots that happen 4 days to a month. We have children dying from the shots and they don't even need the supposed protection promised -- decreased severity of covid if someone happens to get sick.

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