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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post
    Feel free to provide facts that contradict me, unless you prefer hand-waving.
    How is it possible for you to have participated in this thread without availing yourself of the information provided in it? I'm starting to believe that your ignorance is by choice. If I recall correctly, you are one of those who inadvisably received the experiment China flu jab, so of course the very last thing you want to hear is that you made a bad bet. That makes it impossible for you to look at any of this dispassionately and objectively.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

    Maybe you can explain how you see this as my MO. I provide testimony.

    You are so weird. Anything that goes against your belief system you classify as conspiracy and quacks. This is loaded language used to preserve Mass Psychosis. How can we wake you up?

    The use of loaded language means you do not have to investigate any of the testimony of people. You can classify them before you know their reputation and background.
    I have pretty much exhausted trying to give you evidence that you are wrong or that I am right. It is completely wasted on you, as shown above. You merely pick and choose what to accept and what to reject, based on your already held beliefs. Which is completely contrary to science. The exact opposite. Every time I have checked out the studies or people you have cited I find that they are wrong, are fringe nuts, or you have misread the study completely, as you did with the false positive study you STILL refer to, even after several people have corrected you on the matter.

    You seem to be the one who is under a mass psychosis. Believing that you are right and that you understand and are using science. A complete delusion.

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  • mikewhitney
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    That seems to be your modus operandi.


    And yet what you do is listen to conspiracy sites and quacks.
    Maybe you can explain how you see this as my MO. I provide testimony.

    You are so weird. Anything that goes against your belief system you classify as conspiracy and quacks. This is loaded language used to preserve Mass Psychosis. How can we wake you up?

    The use of loaded language means you do not have to investigate any of the testimony of people. You can classify them before you know their reputation and background.

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  • mikewhitney
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

    Wouldn't you agree that this statement was somewhat misleading? "As to a doctor who was kicked out of the hospital practice in BC... Dr. Hoeffe told a nurse that a patient would not need the vax because the patient had covid-19 recently."



    You really ought to give up on that guy.

    Source: https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9HK9UY-6


    A D-dimer test can be prescribed by a specialist when a blood clot is suspected. But a high D-dimer level in vaccinated patients would not necessarily be worrying.

    "When you are vaccinated, there is often inflammation: you have a little fever, aches and pains... it proves that the vaccine works," Marie-Antoinette Sevestre-Pietri, president of the French Society of Vascular Medicine, said on July 15. "An inflammatory reaction will result in an elevated D-dimer level, but this does not mean that thrombosis will occur."

    © Copyright Original Source

    We are getting experts contradicting experts. We have to see where the debate lands. Also, the fact checkers are using just finding the low hanging fruit. Everything that is stated about the problems of the covid shots always generates a random input provided by so-called fact checkers. You also have to look at the funding of the fact checkers -- which are often Gates and Pharma -- go figure.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

    You want me to swallow unsubstantiated beliefs the writer was promoting?
    That seems to be your modus operandi.


    I would prefer to stay with the science and medical experts.
    And yet what you do is listen to conspiracy sites and quacks.

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The voice of the ignorant. And those in power are happy to keep you that way by suppressing informed dissent.
    Feel free to provide facts that contradict me, unless you prefer hand-waving.

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  • mikewhitney
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    There you go handwaving away anything that contradicts your view.
    You want me to swallow unsubstantiated beliefs the writer was promoting? I would prefer to stay with the science and medical experts.

    Maybe you can advise me what experts in that article convinced you that the writer wrote a good piece.

    You are so convinced of your opinion against the scientific evidence. This is a sign of the continuing Mass Psychosis.

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

    Thanks for contributing a useless article that does not discuss the science of anything but just makes unsupported statements to try to contradict what Hoffe has said.
    Wouldn't you agree that this statement was somewhat misleading? "As to a doctor who was kicked out of the hospital practice in BC... Dr. Hoeffe told a nurse that a patient would not need the vax because the patient had covid-19 recently."

    One example is the reliance on "belief" that certain deaths are not the result of the covid shots. Hoffe has identified clotting in 60% of people that he checked after they got these shots.
    You really ought to give up on that guy.

    Source: https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9HK9UY-6


    A D-dimer test can be prescribed by a specialist when a blood clot is suspected. But a high D-dimer level in vaccinated patients would not necessarily be worrying.

    "When you are vaccinated, there is often inflammation: you have a little fever, aches and pains... it proves that the vaccine works," Marie-Antoinette Sevestre-Pietri, president of the French Society of Vascular Medicine, said on July 15. "An inflammatory reaction will result in an elevated D-dimer level, but this does not mean that thrombosis will occur."

    © Copyright Original Source

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post
    There are no scientific studies or data showing that getting vaccinated is more dangerous than getting covid-19.
    The voice of the ignorant. And those in power are happy to keep you that way by suppressing informed dissent.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

    Thanks for contributing a useless article that does not discuss the science of anything but just makes unsupported statements to try to contradict what Hoffe has said.

    One example is the reliance on "belief" that certain deaths are not the result of the covid shots. Hoffe has identified clotting in 60% of people that he checked after they got these shots.
    There you go handwaving away anything that contradicts your view.

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  • mikewhitney
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post
    I would guess that they rely on the phase 3 trial results, along with the public health records regarding results of covid-19 infections and results of vaccinations.



    To support your point, you chose this guy?

    Source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-doctors-misinformation-covid-19-1.6021489


    More recently, Lytton, B.C., family physician Dr. Charles Hoffe published another letter to Henry on the website of the anti-vaccine group Vaccine Choice Canada, making numerous unproven and false claims about COVID-19 vaccines.

    Hoffe claimed in his letter, dated April 5, that after administering the Moderna shot to community members, he believes "this vaccine is quite clearly more dangerous than COVID-19."

    The B.C. Centre for Disease Control publishes weekly updates on adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination, and as of May 1, a total of 54 serious health events, including anaphylaxis, seizure and possible neurological effects, were reported out of 1.85 million doses administered. That's a rate of about 0.002 per cent.

    While four people have died within 30 days of receiving one of those 1.85 million shots, none of those deaths are believed to be the result of the vaccine. In comparison, 1,622 people have died of COVID-19 in B.C. out of 136,100 confirmed cases.

    Hoffe's letter also echoes a common but thoroughly debunked talking point used in conspiracy theorist circles that suggests mRNA vaccines are actually a form of "experimental gene modification therapy."

    These vaccines, which include the COVID-19 shots from Pfizer and Moderna, absolutely cannot alter someone's genes.

    The only thing mRNA does inside the human body is carry the instructions for building proteins — in the case of vaccines, those proteins trigger an immune response. Once those proteins have been built, the mRNA degrades, and it's physically impossible for it to be incorporated into a person's DNA.

    "You can't go from RNA back to DNA in human cells. It's not possible because we just don't have the machinery to deal with it," Dr. Zain Chagla of McMaster University in Hamilton told CBC News in December.

    Hoffe has yet to respond to requests for comment from CBC News or The Canadian Press.

    © Copyright Original Source

    Thanks for contributing a useless article that does not discuss the science of anything but just makes unsupported statements to try to contradict what Hoffe has said.

    One example is the reliance on "belief" that certain deaths are not the result of the covid shots. Hoffe has identified clotting in 60% of people that he checked after they got these shots.

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    But what if a doctor has good reasons backed by scientific studies and data for thinking that what he is saying is true?
    There are no scientific studies or data showing that getting vaccinated is more dangerous than getting covid-19.

    Honestly, it sounds like the boards in question are for some reason desperate to have "consensus" about the China flu vaccines, but they realize there are enough open questions and room for debate that the only way they can get the appearance of widespread agreement is to threaten a doctor's livelihood if he dares to contradict the state mandated narrative. Back to something I quoted earlier:

    Think about it from a common sense perspective. If the claims behind COVID-19, and the variants as an example, were honest and genuine; and if the benefits of the vaccine were true as claimed; the medical establishment would not need to threaten doctors, and they would not view sunlight as a risk to their objective.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ded-and-cited/

    The only reason the government and its agencies would fear a doctor publicly contradicting them is if they lacked definitive proof that the doctor was wrong.
    Another reason to fear a doctor publicly contradicting them is that there are a lot of poorly informed citizens who will believe the doctor.

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

    That is all the worse that medical boards threaten doctors for information to the public. The public arena is one option for opening up debate and discussion. Mountain Man pointed this out. How has the information even been found to be justifiably called misinformation? In support of your stance, maybe you can find the scientific studies that the medical boards rely on to make their determinations.
    I would guess that they rely on the phase 3 trial results, along with the public health records regarding results of covid-19 infections and results of vaccinations.

    As to a doctor who was kicked out of the hospital practice in BC... Dr. Hoeffe told a nurse that a patient would not need the vax because the patient had covid-19 recently.
    To support your point, you chose this guy?

    Source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-doctors-misinformation-covid-19-1.6021489


    More recently, Lytton, B.C., family physician Dr. Charles Hoffe published another letter to Henry on the website of the anti-vaccine group Vaccine Choice Canada, making numerous unproven and false claims about COVID-19 vaccines.

    Hoffe claimed in his letter, dated April 5, that after administering the Moderna shot to community members, he believes "this vaccine is quite clearly more dangerous than COVID-19."

    The B.C. Centre for Disease Control publishes weekly updates on adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination, and as of May 1, a total of 54 serious health events, including anaphylaxis, seizure and possible neurological effects, were reported out of 1.85 million doses administered. That's a rate of about 0.002 per cent.

    While four people have died within 30 days of receiving one of those 1.85 million shots, none of those deaths are believed to be the result of the vaccine. In comparison, 1,622 people have died of COVID-19 in B.C. out of 136,100 confirmed cases.

    Hoffe's letter also echoes a common but thoroughly debunked talking point used in conspiracy theorist circles that suggests mRNA vaccines are actually a form of "experimental gene modification therapy."

    These vaccines, which include the COVID-19 shots from Pfizer and Moderna, absolutely cannot alter someone's genes.

    The only thing mRNA does inside the human body is carry the instructions for building proteins — in the case of vaccines, those proteins trigger an immune response. Once those proteins have been built, the mRNA degrades, and it's physically impossible for it to be incorporated into a person's DNA.

    "You can't go from RNA back to DNA in human cells. It's not possible because we just don't have the machinery to deal with it," Dr. Zain Chagla of McMaster University in Hamilton told CBC News in December.

    Hoffe has yet to respond to requests for comment from CBC News or The Canadian Press.

    © Copyright Original Source

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  • Mountain Man
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    Many of the vaccinated are angry at the unvaccinated because they’ve been lied to, both about who is actually spreading Covid (anyone care to guess what happens when a vaccinated person contracts Covid, yet feels fine and engages normally in society?) and the efficacy of the vaccines themselves. So many seem to think the vaccines are sterile, in the same way vaccines against other diseases have been, and that, if we just mask and vax harrrrrd enough there will actually be a future time when there is no Covid. Well, here’s a news flash: Even if vaccination levels somehow reached 100%, transmission and contraction of this virus will not end.

    I’ve said this over and over for 18 months, and I’ll say it again. It’s time to end the insanity. It’s time to surrender and stop fighting a fight we can’t win. Sure, shield and vaccinate the vulnerable (and hope to God that some of the rumors about vaccines driving variants aren’t true), but the vast majority of people need to accept and deal with the fact that they are going to get this virus, which will continue virusing until it's finished, regardless of what humans do. The good news, if they are willing to hear it, is the same as it’s always been: it won’t be dangerous for the vast majority.

    https://townhall.com/columnists/scot...ender-n2595743

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

    Yes. It means that what doctors say to their patients is somewhat more privileged than what they say to the public. Even if it's false.
    But what if a doctor has good reasons backed by scientific studies and data for thinking that what he is saying is true? Honestly, it sounds like the boards in question are for some reason desperate to have "consensus" about the China flu vaccines, but they realize there are enough open questions and room for debate that the only way they can get the appearance of widespread agreement is to threaten a doctor's livelihood if he dares to contradict the state mandated narrative. Back to something I quoted earlier:

    Think about it from a common sense perspective. If the claims behind COVID-19, and the variants as an example, were honest and genuine; and if the benefits of the vaccine were true as claimed; the medical establishment would not need to threaten doctors, and they would not view sunlight as a risk to their objective.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ded-and-cited/

    The only reason the government and its agencies would fear a doctor publicly contradicting them is if they lacked definitive proof that the doctor was wrong.

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