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"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
If they are have settled status and are contributing that country's economy, paying their local and federal taxes, abiding by the laws of that country etc. I can see no reason why they should not.
To put it another way, if someone is not vested enough in the country in which they're living to become a citizen, then they're not vested enough to have a say from the ballot box as to how that country is run.Last edited by Mountain Man; 07-31-2021, 09:33 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
If they are have settled status and are contributing that country's economy, paying their local and federal taxes, abiding by the laws of that country etc. I can see no reason why they should not.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post
As I mentioned, we have non-citizen voting in my country. I don't support it and think we should remove it. The most noticeable effect is that there's a large non-citizen Chinese immigrant voting bloc who appear to be more loyal to China and appear to cast votes primarily based on which party supports China the most.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIn my country such people can vote.
Since there is approximately a 0% chance Republicans would support this, and 100% chance they'd go off their rockers and do something worse than Jan 6th if the Democrats did manage to pass it, what's the point of floating the idea?
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
If they are have settled status and are contributing that country's economy, paying their local and federal taxes, abiding by the laws of that country etc. I can see no reason why they should not.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
If they are have settled status and are contributing that country's economy, paying their local and federal taxes, abiding by the laws of that country etc. I can see no reason why they should not.
Who Can and Can’t Vote in U.S. Elections
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Aside from "settled status," the same argument could be used to support allowing tourists to vote - in many ways, more so: they do not draw on any government services."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Well, they'd have to lie about the citizenship question....
Who Can and Can’t Vote in U.S. Elections
Question, do YOU think non citizens should vote in a country's national election?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
My reply was in response to this:
Question, do YOU think non citizens should vote in a country's national election?
If they want to vote, they should become citizens.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
If she's a legal settled resident, then I have no problem letting her vote, provided she renounce loyalty to her home country, and become a citizen through the naturalization process.
I am still waiting for someone to put forward a coherent argument as to why they consider Ms Abrahamian's remarks to be wrong and/or injudicious/inappropriate."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Then it would not apply to Ms Abrahamian's points.
I am still waiting for someone to put forward a coherent argument as to why they consider Ms Abrahamian's remarks to be wrong and/or injudicious/inappropriate.
It seems you people look at voting as more of a shareholder thing --- "I contribute money, therefore I get to vote in corporate matters".
Citizenship is more precious than shareholder status.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I think people in the US should obey the laws of this country, which currently prohibit non-citizens from voting.
If they want to vote, they should become citizens."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
One of the privileges of liviving in this country is that one is free to say stupid things.
It seems you people look at voting as more of a shareholder thing --- "I contribute money, therefore I get to vote in corporate matters".
Citizenship is more precious than shareholder status.
Or her observation that "The more voters show up to the polls, the more accurately elections reflect people’s desires. The United States already has plenty of institutions that account for noncitizens: The census aims to reach all residents because it believes everyone, even aliens, matters. Corporations enjoy free speech and legal personhood — and they’re not even people. Would it be such a stretch to give noncitizen residents a say in who gets elected to their state legislature, Congress or the White House?"
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
What is your view of Ms Abrahamian's suggestion that permitting that minority to vote would "give American democracy new life, restore immigrants’ trust in government and send a powerful message of inclusion to the rest of the world"?
Or her observation that "The more voters show up to the polls, the more accurately elections reflect people’s desires. The United States already has plenty of institutions that account for noncitizens: The census aims to reach all residents because it believes everyone, even aliens, matters. Corporations enjoy free speech and legal personhood — and they’re not even people. Would it be such a stretch to give noncitizen residents a say in who gets elected to their state legislature, Congress or the White House?"
2) The US is not responsible to "send a powerful message of inclusion to the rest of the world", or any other kind of "message"
C) I think foreigners like you should focus on your own country and leave us alone
Citizenship requires an allegiance to this country -- there's a reason for that.
And that reason extends to why only citizens should be allowed to vote.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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