A personal proposition to extend US democracy and improve civics

[tabibito]

It's conceivable that it's a solution that addresses an issue that is more pressing in the US than in Germany. Last I looked, in Germany the protesters aren't storming the capital buildings. Also the OP article was a NY Times article, so whether Germany does it, isn't necessarily the point. Chances are good Hypatia supports this being implemented in Germany also, so I doubt there's inconsistency there.

As I mentioned, we have non-citizen voting in my country. I don't support it and think we should remove it. The most noticeable effect is that there's a large non-citizen Chinese immigrant voting bloc who appear to be more loyal to China and appear to cast votes primarily based on which party supports China the most.

That kind of thing could take any country to a bad place.

[rogue06]

Yet as the OP points out, when it comes to local matters, many already do.

So does Germany allow everyone living inside the country to vote?

Maybe you should worry about your own house first, hmm?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

That was made readily apparent in your earlier post.

If they want a say, they are entitled to become citizens

Then why do some states permit non-citizens to vote locally? If they can have their electoral "say" on local matters, why not at a state and federal level?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I now understand that this is a "For you, but not for me" topic.

To address it. I find no reason to allow non-citizens to vote. It is not a typical thing in the world.

You are welcome to put forward your reasons as to why you disagree with the comments in the OP.

[rogue06]

Then why do some states permit non-citizens to vote locally? If they can have their electoral "say" on local matters, why not at a state and federal level?

Does Germany permit non-citizens to vote?

If not why are you obsessed with having the U.S. do so?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I now understand that this is a "For you, but not for me" topic.

To address it. I find no reason to allow non-citizens to vote. It is not a typical thing in the world.

So does Germany allow everyone living inside the country to vote?

Maybe you should worry about your own house first, hmm?

Once again I remind individuals that this thread is about the USA not Germany. If anyone wishes to offer their opinions as to why they consider Ms Abrahamian's suggestions to be wrong/unreasonable etc, or indeed why they consider her opinions may have some validity then they are free to provide them.

If individuals do not wish to offer such opinions then this thread is self-evidently not for them.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Does Germany permit non-citizens to vote?

If not why are you obsessed with having the U.S. do so?

See above.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

That kind of thing could take any country to a bad place.

Notwithstanding @Starlight's comments on the non-citizen Chinese vote why do you consider permitting those working in the US as, for example academics, medical professionals, business people, journalists might take the USA [and this thread is about the USA[ "to a bad place"?

[rogue06]

See above.

Sorry, a comparison is valid.

You refuse to explain why you are obsessed with having the U.S. allow anyone passing through to vote, while your own country does not do so.

So why do you think the U.S. should do this but not Germany?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Sorry, a comparison is valid.

You refuse to explain why you are obsessed with having the U.S. allow anyone passing through to vote, while your own country does not do so.

So why do you think the U.S. should do this but not Germany?

No it is not because this thread is concerned with an op-ed piece in the New York Times that was written by a non-citizen living in the USA.

[rogue06]

No it is not because this thread is concerned with an op-ed piece in the New York Times that was written by a non-citizen living in the USA.

So what? Someone wants something they don't deserve and is whining about it.

Why are you carrying her water when it is pretty obvious that you don't think your own country should be doing this?

[CivilDiscourse]

So what? Someone wants something they don't deserve and is whining about it.

Why are you carrying her water when it is pretty obvious that you don't think your own country should be doing this?

12% of her country are non citizens, a good number of them are from the middle east. I'm not surprised she's not really talking about letting that many non-aryans vote in her country.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

So what? Someone wants something they don't deserve and is whining about it.

Why are you carrying her water when it is pretty obvious that you don't think your own country should be doing this?

You are free to leave the thread.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

12% of her country are non citizens, a good number of them are from the middle east. I'm not surprised she's not really talking about letting that many non-aryans vote in her country.

You are also free to leave the thread.

[CivilDiscourse]

You are also free to leave the thread.

Thank you for that advice.

Question, do YOU think non citizens should vote in a country's national election?