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Originally posted by CMD View Post
Not all forms of "victim-blaming" are equal.
If a group of crackheads breaks into a family's home and starts knocking things over and breakings things looking for money and valuables and the father comes downstairs and shoots one or more of them, it's not "victim blaming" of the type you're talking about to say to anyone defending the crackheads that "if they didn't want to be shot, they shouldn't have broken into the family's home."
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Originally posted by CMD View Post"Stand your ground" would like to have a word with you...
If someone breaks into your home, should you have to wait to determine if they're armed and exactly what their motives are (are they there to rape and murder, or merely there to steal some things and leave?) before you use any sort of deadly force? Going by past threads and conservations, I believe your answer is/was no. So why is this different?
A citizen is defending his own private property, and it is understood that he doesn't have the training and capability of a sworn officer of the law.
An officer of the law is trained in the use (and restraint) of deadly force and is held to a much higher standard.
You will not find ANY post (or comment from me anywhere) that fails to consider those major differences.
The shooter of the unarmed woman acted far more like a homeowner in panic than a sworn and trained officer of the law.
The result is an unarmed woman is dead for the crime of being in the wrong place at the right time (for which she should have been arrested and prosecuted).The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
This wasn't private property, and she wasn't a reasonable threat to anyone. These were officers, not private citizens. She literally had cops standing 5 feet behind her. If you want to lick the boot, go ahead. Leave me the hell out of it.
Maybe included in the "Hogan's Ally" shoot-don't-shoot training.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
This wasn't private property, and she wasn't a reasonable threat to anyone. These were officers, not private citizens. She literally had cops standing 5 feet behind her. If you want to lick the boot, go ahead. Leave me the hell out of it.
One of the concerns is that the "Capitol Police" have become more a "ceremonial" component of DC than an "enforcement" one.
If you watch the testimony of some of the Capitol Police to the Democrats the last week, they don't really seem like trained professionals, but individuals who are stunned and shocked that somebody would be mean to them.
It is my personal opinion that this is why the shooter appeared to be in panic mode.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
The "open secret" is that the shooter was actually a Lieutenant with the Capitol Police, and not some green rookie.
One of the concerns is that the "Capitol Police" have become more a "ceremonial" component of DC than an "enforcement" one.
If you watch the testimony of some of the Capitol Police to the Democrats the last week, they don't really seem like trained professionals, but individuals who are stunned and shocked that somebody would be mean to them.
It is my personal opinion that this is why the shooter appeared to be in panic mode.
If anyone meant or means him harm it would take less than 5 minutes to get a full name and picture.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostHis identity is actually about as "secret" as was that of the so-called whistleblower for the Ukrainian hoax used as the premise for an impeachment.
If anyone meant or means him harm it would take less than 5 minutes to get a full name and picture.
I think they know quite well this was NOT a justified shooting, and officially releasing his name would require his removal from the Capitol Police, and possible charges of wrongful death.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Which makes one wonder why they can't just admit, "OK, here are the facts of the case....."
I think they know quite well this was NOT a justified shooting, and officially releasing his name would require his removal from the Capitol Police, and possible charges of wrongful death.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThis time it isn't crooked unions covering up for bad cops but corrupt politicians.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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So, besides OMB, what possible reason exists to try to justify the panic-shooting of an unarmed woman by a supposedly trained officer of the law?
The left tries....- victim blaming - she shouldn't have been there so it's her fault
- wrong ideology - smearing her because she wasn't a liberal so her death is inconsequential?
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
It was your profoundly ignorant reasoning, and, yeah, it was beyond silly.
A young woman walking down the street, regardless of her attire, amount of make-up, and mild degree of inebriation is not breaking any laws."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostMany on the left started embracing the "asking for it" rationale for being physically assaulted based on what you wear, when they began excusing if not cheering on attacks on people wearing a MAGA cap.
Wearing a MAGA hat in the street is not quite on the same level as being part of an insurrection that invades the Capitol intent on preventing a democratic process from taking place.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIf she had not been part of an illegal act of insurrection she would not have exposed herself to harm.
You're still victim-blaming.
A young woman walking down the street, regardless of her attire, amount of make-up, and mild degree of inebriation is not breaking any laws.
But, again, whoever rapes, murders, or assaults her in any way is subject to prosecution.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIndeed and it would appear there most probably still is.
And we assume he was aware of the crowd entering the Capitol and the concerns that must have raised.
It was an unfortunate incident but if she had not believed all her nonsense and left after the rally, rather than marching to the Capitol, she would probably still be alive today.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
There was and is NOTHING wrong with availing oneself of one's Constitutionally guaranteed rights to peaceably assemble and to petition the government for redress of grievances, so there was nothing at all wrong with the "marching to the Capitol" part.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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