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  • #61
    Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
    Babbitt’s mistake was thinking she was being patriotic by supporting Trump. And she failed to carry out an adequate risk assessment on the day, acted recklessly and got dead. All her own doing; the wages of stupidity.
    Please take your profound stupidity and idiocy out of my thread immediately.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by CMD View Post

      Not all forms of "victim-blaming" are equal.

      If a group of crackheads breaks into a family's home and starts knocking things over and breakings things looking for money and valuables and the father comes downstairs and shoots one or more of them, it's not "victim blaming" of the type you're talking about to say to anyone defending the crackheads that "if they didn't want to be shot, they shouldn't have broken into the family's home."
      This wasn't private property, and she wasn't a reasonable threat to anyone. These were officers, not private citizens. She literally had cops standing 5 feet behind her. If you want to lick the boot, go ahead. Leave me the hell out of it.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by CMD View Post
        "Stand your ground" would like to have a word with you...
        You, my friend, are confusing a private citizen's rights with that of a duly sworn police officer.

        If someone breaks into your home, should you have to wait to determine if they're armed and exactly what their motives are (are they there to rape and murder, or merely there to steal some things and leave?) before you use any sort of deadly force? Going by past threads and conservations, I believe your answer is/was no. So why is this different?
        MAJOR difference...

        A citizen is defending his own private property, and it is understood that he doesn't have the training and capability of a sworn officer of the law.
        An officer of the law is trained in the use (and restraint) of deadly force and is held to a much higher standard.

        You will not find ANY post (or comment from me anywhere) that fails to consider those major differences.

        The shooter of the unarmed woman acted far more like a homeowner in panic than a sworn and trained officer of the law.
        The result is an unarmed woman is dead for the crime of being in the wrong place at the right time (for which she should have been arrested and prosecuted).
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

          This wasn't private property, and she wasn't a reasonable threat to anyone. These were officers, not private citizens. She literally had cops standing 5 feet behind her. If you want to lick the boot, go ahead. Leave me the hell out of it.
          This should actually be a training case for law enforcement.

          Maybe included in the "Hogan's Ally" shoot-don't-shoot training.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

            This wasn't private property, and she wasn't a reasonable threat to anyone. These were officers, not private citizens. She literally had cops standing 5 feet behind her. If you want to lick the boot, go ahead. Leave me the hell out of it.
            The "open secret" is that the shooter was actually a Lieutenant with the Capitol Police, and not some green rookie.

            One of the concerns is that the "Capitol Police" have become more a "ceremonial" component of DC than an "enforcement" one.

            If you watch the testimony of some of the Capitol Police to the Democrats the last week, they don't really seem like trained professionals, but individuals who are stunned and shocked that somebody would be mean to them.

            It is my personal opinion that this is why the shooter appeared to be in panic mode.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              The "open secret" is that the shooter was actually a Lieutenant with the Capitol Police, and not some green rookie.

              One of the concerns is that the "Capitol Police" have become more a "ceremonial" component of DC than an "enforcement" one.

              If you watch the testimony of some of the Capitol Police to the Democrats the last week, they don't really seem like trained professionals, but individuals who are stunned and shocked that somebody would be mean to them.

              It is my personal opinion that this is why the shooter appeared to be in panic mode.
              His identity is actually about as "secret" as was that of the so-called whistleblower for the Ukrainian hoax used as the premise for an impeachment.

              If anyone meant or means him harm it would take less than 5 minutes to get a full name and picture.

              I'm always still in trouble again

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              • #67
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                His identity is actually about as "secret" as was that of the so-called whistleblower for the Ukrainian hoax used as the premise for an impeachment.

                If anyone meant or means him harm it would take less than 5 minutes to get a full name and picture.
                Which makes one wonder why they can't just admit, "OK, here are the facts of the case....."

                I think they know quite well this was NOT a justified shooting, and officially releasing his name would require his removal from the Capitol Police, and possible charges of wrongful death.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  Which makes one wonder why they can't just admit, "OK, here are the facts of the case....."

                  I think they know quite well this was NOT a justified shooting, and officially releasing his name would require his removal from the Capitol Police, and possible charges of wrongful death.
                  This time it isn't crooked unions covering up for bad cops but corrupt politicians.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    This time it isn't crooked unions covering up for bad cops but corrupt politicians.
                    Good point, but only because the unions don't need to - their hirelings are doing their work for them.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #70
                      So, besides OMB, what possible reason exists to try to justify the panic-shooting of an unarmed woman by a supposedly trained officer of the law?

                      The left tries....
                      • victim blaming - she shouldn't have been there so it's her fault
                      • wrong ideology - smearing her because she wasn't a liberal so her death is inconsequential?
                      Had this been a cop shooting a BLM demonstrator (or any liberal), would there be this rush to defend the cop who kept popping in and out of cover, and shoots in an apparent panic?
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        It was your profoundly ignorant reasoning, and, yeah, it was beyond silly.
                        If she had not been part of an illegal act of insurrection she would not have exposed herself to harm.

                        A young woman walking down the street, regardless of her attire, amount of make-up, and mild degree of inebriation is not breaking any laws.
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Many on the left started embracing the "asking for it" rationale for being physically assaulted based on what you wear, when they began excusing if not cheering on attacks on people wearing a MAGA cap.
                          Nothing like going to the extremes is there rogue06?

                          Wearing a MAGA hat in the street is not quite on the same level as being part of an insurrection that invades the Capitol intent on preventing a democratic process from taking place.
                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            If she had not been part of an illegal act of insurrection she would not have exposed herself to harm.
                            Utterly ignorant argument -- a protester should not have to fear DEATH by an officer of the law as a consequence of protesting that is not life-threatening to anybody.
                            You're still victim-blaming.

                            A young woman walking down the street, regardless of her attire, amount of make-up, and mild degree of inebriation is not breaking any laws.
                            Actually, public intoxication in most US jurisdictions is a violation of the law.
                            But, again, whoever rapes, murders, or assaults her in any way is subject to prosecution.


                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                              Indeed and it would appear there most probably still is.


                              And we assume he was aware of the crowd entering the Capitol and the concerns that must have raised.

                              It was an unfortunate incident but if she had not believed all her nonsense and left after the rally, rather than marching to the Capitol, she would probably still be alive today.

                              There was and is NOTHING wrong with availing oneself of one's Constitutionally guaranteed rights to peaceably assemble and to petition the government for redress of grievances, so there was nothing at all wrong with the "marching to the Capitol" part.
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                              Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                              Justice for Matthew Perna!

                              Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                                There was and is NOTHING wrong with availing oneself of one's Constitutionally guaranteed rights to peaceably assemble and to petition the government for redress of grievances, so there was nothing at all wrong with the "marching to the Capitol" part.
                                EGGcellent point I overlooked.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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