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  • #46
    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

    "If that rape victim had not dressed in slutty clothes, and put on heavy makeup, and not had a beer or two, or not walked down that dark street, or not been out at midnight, she wouldn't have gotten raped". That's what a victim-blaming clown you're sounding like right now.
    EGGzackly.... while that wouldn't be wise on their part, it never justifies the rape or murder.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

      "If that rape victim had not dressed in slutty clothes, and put on heavy makeup, and not had a beer or two, or not walked down that dark street, or not been out at midnight, she wouldn't have gotten raped". That's what a victim-blaming clown you're sounding like right now.
      Silly Gond
      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Including the repeating of the outright lie that a Capitol Police officer was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher.
        That is a lie of political value.

        So, what -- every officer should be allowed to "shoot at will"?

        "an 'unfortunate incident'"?

        Ah - BLAME THE VICTIM!!!

        A) "Not marching to the Capitol" is no guarantee of mortality. She could always be run over by a cement truck.
        2) While it is factually true that she would not have been killed had she not been there (brilliant work on your part) it is ALSO true that she would not be dead if she had not been shot by a police officer who appeared to be in panic mode.

        When we discuss the wrongful deaths of black men who were, indeed, committing crimes (many threads here), we (conservatives) make both observations...
        a) had he not been there committing the crime....
        2) it is STILL wrong, regardless of that element, to kill somebody without just cause.

        You seem to be jumping through hoops to blame the victim and excuse the shooter.
        No different than those who said if Floyd wasn't passing counterfeit money around none of that would have happened.

        That is the group she has put herself in with.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

          Silly Gond
          Nothing silly about it, you twit. You straight up tried victim blaming the victim of unjustified police violence. But apparently it's okay because she's not black.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

            "If that rape victim had not dressed in slutty clothes, and put on heavy makeup, and not had a beer or two, or not walked down that dark street, or not been out at midnight, she wouldn't have gotten raped". That's what a victim-blaming clown you're sounding like right now.
            Many on the left started embracing the "asking for it" rationale for being physically assaulted based on what you wear, when they began excusing if not cheering on attacks on people wearing a MAGA cap.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

              Silly Gond
              It was your profoundly ignorant reasoning, and, yeah, it was beyond silly.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                I don't know about your country, but breaking and entering in the US is not a capital offense, "crowd behind them" or no.


                "Stand your ground" would like to have a word with you...

                If someone breaks into your home, should you have to wait to determine if they're armed and exactly what their motives are (are they there to rape and murder, or merely there to steal some things and leave?) before you use any sort of deadly force? Going by past threads and conservations, I believe your answer is/was no. So why is this different?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  No different than those who said if Floyd wasn't passing counterfeit money around none of that would have happened.

                  That is the group she has put herself in with.
                  Or the guy who was supposedly trespassing on private property, and was subsequently gunned down.

                  None of us (conservatives) tried to justify the killing on the basis of his criminal activity.

                  Might he still be alive today had he not gone on that "jog"? Sure.
                  Does that justify him being shot to death? Absolutely no way.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    There was no immediate threat to his life - he had no real reason to believe she had a deadly weapon - or ANY weapon.

                    In any other environment, that would NOT have been ruled a justifiable use of deadly force.
                    On multiple occasions on this forum, left-wing types have used "they didn't even have a weapon!" as a defense and you guys (and myself included) would shoot that argument down (pun intended), noting how deadly someone can be even with just their fists/body.

                    Now suddenly "I don't see any weapons!" is a viable defense?

                    It's amazing the amount of 180's people are doing on both sides in response to this incident. Adopting the other side's arguments that they dismissed in the past. Criticizing arguments they themselves have used before.

                    It's ridiculous, honestly.
                    Last edited by CMD; 07-31-2021, 12:12 PM.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                      Or the guy who was supposedly trespassing on private property, and was subsequently gunned down.

                      None of us (conservatives) tried to justify the killing on the basis of his criminal activity.

                      Might he still be alive today had he not gone on that "jog"? Sure.
                      Does that justify him being shot to death? Absolutely no way.
                      Same as us while-not-happy-with-the-conservatives-see-the-left-being-overwhelmed-by-their-lunatic-fringe type libertarians.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #56
                        Babbitt’s mistake was thinking she was being patriotic by supporting Trump. And she failed to carry out an adequate risk assessment on the day, acted recklessly and got dead. All her own doing; the wages of stupidity.
                        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                        “not all there” - you know who you are

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                          "If that rape victim had not dressed in slutty clothes, and put on heavy makeup, and not had a beer or two, or not walked down that dark street, or not been out at midnight, she wouldn't have gotten raped". That's what a victim-blaming clown you're sounding like right now.
                          Not all forms of "victim-blaming" are equal.

                          If a group of crackheads breaks into a family's home and starts knocking things over and breakings things looking for money and valuables and the father comes downstairs and shoots one or more of them, it's not "victim blaming" of the type you're talking about to say to anyone defending the crackheads that "if they didn't want to be shot, they shouldn't have broken into the family's home."

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by CMD View Post

                            On multiple occasions on this forum, left-wing types have used "they didn't even have a weapon!" as a defense and you guys (and myself included) would shoot that argument down, noting how deadly someone can be even with just their fists/body.

                            Now suddenly "I don't see any weapons!" is a viable defense?

                            It's amazing the amount of 180's people are doing on both sides in response to this incident. Adopting the other side's arguments that they dismissed in the past. Criticizing arguments they themselves have used before.

                            It's ridiculous, honestly.
                            It really is ... and demonstrates that the only thing consistent about liberals is inconsistency.

                            When federal officers attempt to intervene in chaos and anarchy, they are "jackbooted thugs", and "secret police", and "we need to know who they are!!!!"

                            In this case --- this whoever-he-was who shot and killed an unarmed woman is somehow a hero and needs his identity protected.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by CMD View Post

                              Not all forms of "victim-blaming" are equal.

                              If a group of crackheads breaks into a family's home and starts knocking things over and breakings things looking for money and valuables and the father comes downstairs and shoots one or more of them, it's not "victim blaming" of the type you're talking about to say to anyone defending the crackheads that "if they didn't want to be shot, they shouldn't have broken into the family's home."
                              That's a clear case of a homeowner exercising his legal right to defend his family from a clear and present danger.

                              Police officers have a much higher standard of conduct, having been trained in the use of deadly force, with clear rules of engagement therewith.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                                Babbitt’s mistake was thinking she was being patriotic by supporting Trump. And she failed to carry out an adequate risk assessment on the day, acted recklessly and got dead. All her own doing; the wages of stupidity.
                                And another one who joins those who said it was Floyd's fault because he acted recklessly (passing counterfeit bills can net you 15 years in a federal penitentiary) and got dead. All his own doing; the wages of stupidity.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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