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  • #31
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    CD, these seem to me to be technical violations (e.g. swearing that they are Totally Not trading with Iran, when they are), that are only being done in order to get around the Iran trading sanctions.

    And the only reason the US cares that Huawei is performing these actions is because it cares about the Iran trading sanctions. So it all comes back to that. There are not, as far as I can see, any charges unrelated to trading with Iran in these indictments. i.e. Huawei's not being accused of doing anything actually nefarious apart from swearing to various American entities that they were Totally Not trading with Iran when they in fact were. It's not as if this person is being charged with murder, or stealing money, or any other bad business practices, other than violating the US sanctions on Iran and subsequently lying about that fact when US entities demanded to know if they were trading with Iran.

    Calling the charges 'bank fraud' or 'wire fraud' or whatever, I think is misleading, as it makes it sound as if she fraudulently stole money or did some sort of complex financial scam or con, and obscures the fact that she conducted totally normal business dealings, and literally all she's being accused of is lying to US entities when they asked whether her company was trading with Iran.
    Except, they were using US institutions to do that trading, which is the problem. US institutions are not allowed to process transactions for IRAN. So if you lie to them, to bypass the institutions processing transactions, you are getting them to break the law, through deceit, and subjecting them to possible fines and such. Goes back to that drug dealing analogy.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      CD, these seem to me to be technical violations (e.g. swearing that they are Totally Not trading with Iran, when they are), that are only being done in order to get around the Iran trading sanctions.
      By this measure one can claim that all illegal activity is nothing more than "technical violations"

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Indeed. Biden's neither good on foreign policy nor good at cleaning house in terms of replacing Trump appointees. Hard to say whether this is an oversight, in terms of being something that has been allowed to continue from the previous administration that Biden should have put a stop to by now but hasn't got round to replacing the right people in the administration, or just Biden being bad on foreign policy like Biden usually is and making a deliberate decision to continue it.
        Granted, Biden has only a few marbles in his bag, but this would never be an "oversight" with his handlers. Biden wants to play nice with both Iran and China, but to demand the justice department drop charges against Meng would be too obvious considering the laws that were broken.

        I'm not sure why you're making this all about Trump.
        Because you said this is all about Iran, and her arrest happened during Trump's reign.

        If you read the first page of this thread, I was critiquing US foreign policy. You brought up Trump, not me. I would have thought that as someone whose somewhat libertarianish you would agree with me in terms of you also being against the US being too activist in foreign policy and randomly starting feuds with other countries by arresting their citizens over issues with a 3rd country like is happened here.
        If you read my opinion regarding Assange in this thread you will see the difference.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Ronson View Post

          Granted, Biden has only a few marbles in his bag, but this would never be an "oversight" with his handlers. Biden wants to play nice with both Iran and China, but to demand the justice department drop charges against Meng would be too obvious considering the laws that were broken.
          The case has merit or it would be dismissed by the Biden DOJ.

          The case has merit or else the Canuckistani judicial system would have let her go.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            I have never met a person in my life who lies about others as continuously as you do Rogue. Is there something mentally wrong with you? You deceitfully twist my words often to try and falsely portray me as being ignorant of the US in ways that are absurd. It makes you look imbecilic.

            I was aware that the physical arrest had occurred in Canada, which is not relevant given it was done at the request of the US and she is being extradited to the US.
            The rules are very clear about accusations of lying without substantiation at the time of the accusation.

            Just for grins - let's have your 3 best rock-solid examples that Rogue lied.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
              Granted, Biden has only a few marbles in his bag, but this would never be an "oversight" with his handlers. Biden wants to play nice with both Iran and China, but to demand the justice department drop charges against Meng would be too obvious considering the laws that were broken.
              It amuses me how keen people on this forum seem to be to simultaneously want to claim that Biden is 100% senile, and that he also personally makes each and every decision made by any branch of his administration (and that he possibly does so with a view to implementing some sort of grand and dastardardly democrat/communist plan).

              In this case, his administration hasn't (yet?) reversed a Trump administration decision. Without having any inside knowledge of the internal workings of the administration, it's hard to say why this has/hasn't occurred. Could be anything from Dictator Biden wanted to escalate with China, to a justice department employee with tunnel vision who's found a technical crime to prosecute so is going through the motions of doing so, to new policy directives not having yet been thought through and implemented and so old policy is still being carried out...

              To perhaps bring the focus back to the OP... given I seem to have finally convinced some of you that the arrest of the Huawei CFO / daughter of the CEO was fundamentally political and about Iran sanctions... can we agree that Huawei trying to organize some US political lobbying is a matter of self-defense? And unsurprising given the US has basically kidnapped the CEO's daughter? It's not so much a case of eViL cHiNa working according to its communist plots to corrupt US politicians to its will by having Huawei buy influence in the US in order to turn the US communist via sneaky plots, but more a case of daddy wants his daughter back from the kidnappers and is busy trying to pay off the ransom to the right people so that the kidnappers return her?

              Can we also, perhaps agree, that in the murky politics of China, that companies like Huawei seem to be as much government owned entities as they are private companies, and therefore taking actions against the leadership of it, is actually an action taken against the Chinese government and therefore needs to be done with maximum nuance and carefulness?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                Granted, Biden has only a few marbles in his bag, but this would never be an "oversight" with his handlers. Biden wants to play nice with both Iran and China, but to demand the justice department drop charges against Meng would be too obvious considering the laws that were broken.
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                It amuses me how keen people on this forum seem to be to simultaneously want to claim that Biden is 100% senile, and that he also personally makes each and every decision made by any branch of his administration (and that he possibly does so with a view to implementing some sort of grand and dastardardly democrat/communist plan).

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  I wasn't specifically accusing Ronson of doing the thing I mentioned in his post I quoted. I was merely expressing the opinion that it's a common occurrence in this forum. Try not to read things into my posts.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    It amuses me how keen people on this forum seem to be to simultaneously want to claim that Biden is 100% senile, and that he also personally makes each and every decision made by any branch of his administration (and that he possibly does so with a view to implementing some sort of grand and dastardardly democrat/communist plan).....
                    A) I think he's going senile, not necessarily 100%
                    2) I don't think he's personally making "each and every decision"....

                    He's a poor old fool who probably thinks he's in charge, when he's not even sure what's going on around him, and his handlers should be charged with elder abuse for using him like that.

                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      It amuses me how keen people on this forum seem to be to simultaneously want to claim that Biden is 100% senile, and that he also personally makes each and every decision made by any branch of his administration (and that he possibly does so with a view to implementing some sort of grand and dastardardly democrat/communist plan).
                      False dichotomy.

                      In this case, his administration hasn't (yet?) reversed a Trump administration decision. Without having any inside knowledge of the internal workings of the administration, it's hard to say why this has/hasn't occurred. Could be anything from Dictator Biden wanted to escalate with China, to a justice department employee with tunnel vision who's found a technical crime to prosecute so is going through the motions of doing so, to new policy directives not having yet been thought through and implemented and so old policy is still being carried out...
                      Biden and his handlers would have some major 'splaining to do to the public if they got the JD to drop charges. Since China isn't squealing about it at the moment, it is going to languish for a while.

                      To perhaps bring the focus back to the OP... given I seem to have finally convinced some of you that the arrest of the Huawei CFO / daughter of the CEO was fundamentally political and about Iran sanctions... can we agree that Huawei trying to organize some US political lobbying is a matter of self-defense?
                      Nope. It is an attempt to buy influence. IMO, the biggest reason is to get the US to stop denouncing Huawei to the rest of the world about its 5G backdoor security breaches.

                      And unsurprising given the US has basically kidnapped the CEO's daughter?
                      You're forgetting Canada again.

                      It's not so much a case of eViL cHiNa working according to its communist plots to corrupt US politicians to its will by having Huawei buy influence in the US in order to turn the US communist via sneaky plots, but more a case of daddy wants his daughter back from the kidnappers and is busy trying to pay off the ransom to the right people so that the kidnappers return her?

                      Can we also, perhaps agree, that in the murky politics of China, that companies like Huawei seem to be as much government owned entities as they are private companies, and therefore taking actions against the leadership of it, is actually an action taken against the Chinese government and therefore needs to be done with maximum nuance and carefulness?
                      I don't know what this means.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                        [...]

                        And unsurprising given the US has basically kidnapped the CEO's daughter? It's not so much a case of eViL cHiNa working according to its communist plots to corrupt US politicians to its will by having Huawei buy influence in the US in order to turn the US communist via sneaky plots, but more a case of daddy wants his daughter back from the kidnappers and is busy trying to pay off the ransom to the right people so that the kidnappers return her?
                        While it is absolutely no surprise that you are an apologist for a brutal dictatorial leftwing regime who is engaged in genocide against a segment of their population, here you are yet again demonstrating that you think Canada is part of the U.S. after assuring everyone that you knew the difference.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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